intuition

Not good news for juniors. Yes, they can get tiers which is something I've talked about for a long time, but paying full redemption price for say a 8 year old is a bag of hurt.

I guess in the future, Junior will fly revenue J and I will come along on a award or upgrade! Tables have been turned!

lkrt

As an adult I’m very happy to get some of the discount juniors been getting for years.

Jainzar

Until June 3rd that is correct.

intuition

At least this "april" has had great weather!



It will be 91 000 if I read it right as Juniors must redeem through CS. (That may change though as there no longer is a need for manual apply the "discount")

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It is a good thing if they can attract flyers from all segments. But we will see how they manage to balance it. If the program becomes aimed at only one group then it will be bad for most people here.

Watch out what you ask for! Maybe they'll change the awards so that you can only redeem the same trips you usually fly. For every 10th ARN flight you'll get one ARN voucher!


Finally we can all engage in the important contest!
I bet my junior gets Lumo before yours!


You'll get a 8k discount (98->90k; 8%) while juniors get a whopping +82% price hike (50->91k).
I doubt junior awards has been very common overall. I am certain they've been very rare on longhaul.

FFlash

Paradoxally, I cannot somehow enjoy these good news since these stink. Something less good is cooking snd smashes soon on us.

intuition

Yeah, like a cut in earnings?

(It would actually be fitting as there are too many lumos qualifying on points



I am curious why they seem to keep the Junior distinction. They removed the award discount and they added tiers. If it really is the exact same benefits, what is the purpose of a junior class of card?

Jainzar

Lower the points amount and add YQ/YR to the award tickets was what I thought. The good part of the news would be still true.

OH-LGG

So what are those fantastic improvements for Frequent Flyers?

HJP

Jainzar

If the upgrade prices stay the same I assume that the price difference for European flights stays at 20k. For Asia the upgrade price is currently 100k so there is a difference.

intuition

Sorry, my mind is kind of screwed up. I referenced the numbers mentioned with my recently redeeemd junior J award, which is 100k. Then halved that to make it Y and then... heck I can't even figure out how I did it So I'll will keep the big bazoo shut until I see the actual table!


-- Added
Many cases we don't know yet, but for Nordics Y the change seems to be
Y: 19->15k ; 21% lower
Junior Y: 10->16k; 60% increase

As they specifically say "Nordics" maybe we can assume "Northern Europe" will cease to be its own region, and thus a HEL-WAW will move to the Europe table? Then
Y: 19->30k ; 58% increase
Junior Y: 10->31k; 210% increase

FFlash

ffay005

My guess is that you're overanalysing and that their publicity department isn't too familiar with the programme... So what they call Nordics is most likely the current Northern Europe zone.

ffay005

That's because they want to trick those casual flyers into AY loyalty, which I understand very well. I'd say that for the great majority of AY+ members, the programme is actually basically a scam, just like most loyalty programmes. Casual flyers will book tickets at unnecessarily expensive prices believing that it makes sense because they are members of the loyalty programme. In reality AY+ is beneficial only to a small minority, ie upper status members that get perks.

In reality, for that casual twice-a-year-to-Greece flyer, it's going to take forever to collect enough points for a European award, so there's little practial difference between 30k and 40k. However, I'm pleased to be able to spend only 30k for a €400 Euro ticket instead of 39k. And while I understand that the Junior price increase is bad news for many, it doesn't concern me.

intuition

Very good point!
Soon enough we'll see the actual redemption tables and then we'll know.

Yes, there currently is a +75k between the nominal fees (125k - 200k). Online redemptions are discounted and those differ by less (124k - 198k).
I think the new Asia Y price is very aggresively lowered and doubt they will do similar lowering in J. Not even sure they wil lowere those prices, but if they do, my wild speculation is that they will make J awards exactly 2x the Y awards, ie the new online price for J asia will be 180k.

Remeber that the last time they lowered redemption prices in J, it was moving Japan/HKG/BKK/SIN from 225k->200k. At the same time they lowered the earnings on those destinations.