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Finnair Plus will get ”fantastic new improvements”

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Old May 24, 18, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by TTL View Post
Good news for juniors and later also for friends and families... email just arrived.


The award points prices will be the same for all members, including Finnair Plus Junior members.
Not good news for juniors. Yes, they can get tiers which is something I've talked about for a long time, but paying full redemption price for say a 8 year old is a bag of hurt.

I guess in the future, Junior will fly revenue J and I will come along on a award or upgrade! Tables have been turned!
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Old May 24, 18, 10:11 am
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As an adult I’m very happy to get some of the discount juniors been getting for years.
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Old May 24, 18, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by FFlash View Post
Confusing letter. Click on junior pages and still it says there: 50% discount for jr awards
Until June 3rd that is correct.
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Old May 24, 18, 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by FFlash View Post
They promised more news in April, so they have a week to go still..
At least this "april" has had great weather!



Originally Posted by OH-LGG View Post
Just ordered couple days ago long haul award for Junior 62.500 points so this is not improvement. Now it wil be 90.000 points.

It was almost the best award where can use award points.
It will be 91 000 if I read it right as Juniors must redeem through CS. (That may change though as there no longer is a need for manual apply the "discount")

Originally Posted by OH-LGG View Post
These "improvements" are mostly for those who fly 1-2 times in a year.

This looks like AY is fighting against DY U2 FR etc. and trying to please travellers who are flying to European cities for a weekend once or twice a year.
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Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It is a good thing if they can attract flyers from all segments. But we will see how they manage to balance it. If the program becomes aimed at only one group then it will be bad for most people here.

Originally Posted by OH-LGG View Post
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Hey, My dream destination is ARN. Who wants to collect award points with me so we can execute our dream.
Watch out what you ask for! Maybe they'll change the awards so that you can only redeem the same trips you usually fly. For every 10th ARN flight you'll get one ARN voucher!


Originally Posted by Guillou View Post
So from June onwards also Juniors can become Lumos!
Finally we can all engage in the important contest!
I bet my junior gets Lumo before yours!


Originally Posted by lkrt View Post
As an adult I’m very happy to get some of the discount juniors been getting for years.
You'll get a 8k discount (98->90k; 8%) while juniors get a whopping +82% price hike (50->91k).
I doubt junior awards has been very common overall. I am certain they've been very rare on longhaul.

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Paradoxally, I cannot somehow enjoy these good news since these stink. Something less good is cooking snd smashes soon on us.
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Old May 24, 18, 11:02 am
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Originally Posted by FFlash View Post
Paradoxally, I cannot somehow enjoy these good news since these stink. Something less good is cooking snd smashes soon on us.
Yeah, like a cut in earnings?

(It would actually be fitting as there are too many lumos qualifying on points



"Finnair Plus Junior members can earn tiers just like regular Finnair Plus members and get the same great tier benefits."
I am curious why they seem to keep the Junior distinction. They removed the award discount and they added tiers. If it really is the exact same benefits, what is the purpose of a junior class of card?
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Originally Posted by FFlash View Post
Paradoxally, I cannot somehow enjoy these good news since these stink. Something less good is cooking snd smashes soon on us.
Lower the points amount and add YQ/YR to the award tickets was what I thought. The good part of the news would be still true.
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Old May 24, 18, 11:13 am
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So what are those fantastic improvements for Frequent Flyers?
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Old May 24, 18, 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by intuition View Post
You'll get a 8k discount (98->90k; 8%) while juniors get a whopping +82% price hike (50->91k).
I doubt junior awards has been very common overall. I am certain they've been very rare on longhaul.
At least HEL-Asia/NA was 124k -> 90k and for juniors 62.5k->91k.

So if 2 pax from same family travel with award tix - you will save points if both of them are not juniors.

Edit: Any idea about business award rates? Until June 3rd it has been +75k for Asia and + 20k for Europe compared to Y awards.

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Old May 24, 18, 11:50 am
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Edit: Any idea about business award rates? Until June 3rd it has been +75k for Asia and + 20k for Europe compared to Y awards.
If the upgrade prices stay the same I assume that the price difference for European flights stays at 20k. For Asia the upgrade price is currently 100k so there is a difference.
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Originally Posted by HJP View Post
At least HEL-Asia/NA was 124k -> 90k and for juniors 62.5k->91k.
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Sorry, my mind is kind of screwed up. I referenced the numbers mentioned with my recently redeeemd junior J award, which is 100k. Then halved that to make it Y and then... heck I can't even figure out how I did it So I'll will keep the big bazoo shut until I see the actual table!


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Many cases we don't know yet, but for Nordics Y the change seems to be
Y: 19->15k ; 21% lower
Junior Y: 10->16k; 60% increase

As they specifically say "Nordics" maybe we can assume "Northern Europe" will cease to be its own region, and thus a HEL-WAW will move to the Europe table? Then
Y: 19->30k ; 58% increase
Junior Y: 10->31k; 210% increase

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Originally Posted by FFlash View Post
Paradoxally, I cannot somehow enjoy these good news since these stink. Something less good is cooking snd smashes soon on us.
Quoting myself and repeating what I have said many times before: AY+ is a good and balanced program for us Flyertalkers and I dont want them to fix it if it aint broken. Now these changes are major which will inevitably lead to more changes and adjustments, and for worse if the current is fine. This already stinks in the direction of pleasing casual flyers and thus, in balance, showing butt to us flyertalkers, says me.

Well, an optimist goes now and burns awards like hell after 4.6. while it lasts!
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Old May 24, 18, 2:43 pm
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Originally Posted by intuition View Post
As they specifically say "Nordics" maybe we can assume "Northern Europe" will cease to be its own region, and thus a HEL-WAW will move to the Europe table?
My guess is that you're overanalysing and that their publicity department isn't too familiar with the programme... So what they call Nordics is most likely the current Northern Europe zone.
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Originally Posted by FFlash View Post
This already stinks in the direction of pleasing casual flyers and thus, in balance, showing butt to us flyertalkers, says me.
That's because they want to trick those casual flyers into AY loyalty, which I understand very well. I'd say that for the great majority of AY+ members, the programme is actually basically a scam, just like most loyalty programmes. Casual flyers will book tickets at unnecessarily expensive prices believing that it makes sense because they are members of the loyalty programme. In reality AY+ is beneficial only to a small minority, ie upper status members that get perks.

In reality, for that casual twice-a-year-to-Greece flyer, it's going to take forever to collect enough points for a European award, so there's little practial difference between 30k and 40k. However, I'm pleased to be able to spend only 30k for a €400 Euro ticket instead of 39k. And while I understand that the Junior price increase is bad news for many, it doesn't concern me.
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Old May 24, 18, 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by ffay005 View Post
My guess is that you're overanalysing and that their publicity department isn't too familiar with the programme... So what they call Nordics is most likely the current Northern Europe zone.
Very good point!
Soon enough we'll see the actual redemption tables and then we'll know.

Originally Posted by HJP View Post
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Edit: Any idea about business award rates? Until June 3rd it has been +75k for Asia and + 20k for Europe compared to Y awards.
Yes, there currently is a +75k between the nominal fees (125k - 200k). Online redemptions are discounted and those differ by less (124k - 198k).
I think the new Asia Y price is very aggresively lowered and doubt they will do similar lowering in J. Not even sure they wil lowere those prices, but if they do, my wild speculation is that they will make J awards exactly 2x the Y awards, ie the new online price for J asia will be 180k.

Remeber that the last time they lowered redemption prices in J, it was moving Japan/HKG/BKK/SIN from 225k->200k. At the same time they lowered the earnings on those destinations.

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