2014 SkyMiles Program Changes
Jan 4, 2014 | 10:10 pm
#1141
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WN is bad pretty much across the Northeast, it isn't just BOS. And they are poor for pretty much all transcon travelers. They are much better for very regionally limited travelers that never travel abroad. If you fly Houston to Dallas every week, they are awesome, but for anyone with a national/international mix, they don't measure up.
And, FWIW, DL isn't that great in BOS. The lack of SFO and LAX (though that is being remedied) is a big negative. B6 is much better for domestic travelers in general and I spread my travel quite broadly living here.
And, FWIW, DL isn't that great in BOS. The lack of SFO and LAX (though that is being remedied) is a big negative. B6 is much better for domestic travelers in general and I spread my travel quite broadly living here.
Jan 4, 2014 | 10:12 pm
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Actually, I still think it is all about schedule and price. If you live in Boston and have the misfortune of traveling to the murderers row of WN destinations like Kansas City, St Louis, Akron, Baltimore, and Milwaukee, then you will choose WN. If you don't, you'll look elsewhere.
FWIW, even a free ticket wouldn't see me accompanying my spouse to Akron or St Louis.
FWIW, even a free ticket wouldn't see me accompanying my spouse to Akron or St Louis.
Jan 4, 2014 | 10:30 pm
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That is only because the groups that do the award availability "surveys" are run by morons. WN may have better award availability, but the surveys that claim to prove they do are deeply flawed in such a way that those publishing them lose any and all credibility.
Jan 4, 2014 | 10:30 pm
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Jan 4, 2014 | 11:12 pm
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Nonetheless, it's an invalid comparison. It's like me saying DL sucks compared to WN out of Chicago. Yes, I happen to live here, but I also happen to know I can't extrapolate the routes served from my city into a judgment of the overall quality of an airline's network. Chicago is the closest thing WN has to a hub, and DL flies to what, half a dozen cities out of ORD and MDW. And I think pbarnette is smart enough to know that.
Jan 4, 2014 | 11:13 pm
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It really is too bad that all surveys are not run by you so that the world can have the advantage of your supreme wisdom over that of all the morons in the world.
Jan 4, 2014 | 11:23 pm
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Jan 5, 2014 | 1:33 am
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WN is bad pretty much across the Northeast, it isn't just BOS. And they are poor for pretty much all transcon travelers. They are much better for very regionally limited travelers that never travel abroad. If you fly Houston to Dallas every week, they are awesome, but for anyone with a national/international mix, they don't measure up.
Though, one thing going for WN, is terminal E at Boston-Logan is not particularly busy in the morning/afternoon, prior to the majority of international departures.
Jan 6, 2014 | 3:46 pm
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Did this question ever get answered? I have a SFO-JFK-BOS routing booked before the announced changes that will go in the air after the changes, which is no longer eligible for a complimentary upgrade. I called the DM desk and they tried to charge me $600 to change the ticket. That seems unfair; I'm all for playing by the rules, but they should be the rules in question when the ticket is booked.
Jan 6, 2014 | 4:11 pm
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I remember seeing a few posts upthread of people who were allowed refunds, but I don't remember any that were allowed changes.
Jan 6, 2014 | 4:53 pm
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Nonetheless, it's an invalid comparison. It's like me saying DL sucks compared to WN out of Chicago. Yes, I happen to live here, but I also happen to know I can't extrapolate the routes served from my city into a judgment of the overall quality of an airline's network. Chicago is the closest thing WN has to a hub, and DL flies to what, half a dozen cities out of ORD and MDW. And I think pbarnette is smart enough to know that.
I was much happier with WN when all the Boston-area operations were out of MHT. Perhaps, it's perception, but when they added BOS as a city; it just seems that instead of having a larger selection of flights (from one city, MHT), service and choices are now split between the two airports.
Yeah, but the flipside is that E kind of stinks. Since I have Pre, I prefer flying out of A due to the nicer facility and better restaurants.
Jan 6, 2014 | 5:32 pm
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Jan 6, 2014 | 5:55 pm
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This reminded me of WN's new ads featuring "free inflight entertainment" with 3 guys watching movies on their personal tablets/laptops.
I agree with this 100%. I was so confused why I got 14 months of benefits when I first qualified as an FO. That makes no sense.
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Jan 6, 2014 | 6:55 pm
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Jan 6, 2014 | 7:03 pm
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Google maps says Windsor to Toronto is 3:39. Then, how do you get into the city from YYZ? It's pretty far. I've taken the bus, and it's horribly long, but, even a taxi would certainly add a half hour each way at the very least. (If that's where you're going)