2014 SkyMiles Program Changes
#1097
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This analysis ignores two factors:
1) If US airlines continue to make huge profits, the employee groups will demand their 'fair share', especially for the airlines that have reduced employee compensation in the last twelve years (i.e., all of them except Southwest). This will reduce airline profits and make them more vulnerable to the next economic shock (e.g., recession, oil price spike, drop in travel, etc.).
1) If US airlines continue to make huge profits, the employee groups will demand their 'fair share', especially for the airlines that have reduced employee compensation in the last twelve years (i.e., all of them except Southwest). This will reduce airline profits and make them more vulnerable to the next economic shock (e.g., recession, oil price spike, drop in travel, etc.).
2) If the US airlines continue to make huge profits, the market will invariably attract new competition regardless of how high you believe the barriers to entry are.
Personally I believe many of you are over-estimating the difficulty of starting a new airline, there are aircraft leasors out there happy to give even marginal start-ups access to aircraft and a vast majority of commercial airports are not capacity constrained.
Personally I believe many of you are over-estimating the difficulty of starting a new airline, there are aircraft leasors out there happy to give even marginal start-ups access to aircraft and a vast majority of commercial airports are not capacity constrained.
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And EVERYONE will eventually be one of those people, unless you plan on dying without dipping any lower on the Medallion ladder. You just lost a month on your 2025 Medallion year Diamond status, or whenever. Mine will hopefully come earlier.
So every single person with status (except the dead ones and we know what happens to them) just lost a month.
Isn't that worth at least a small sigh from the crowd?
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That may be true but will the new start-ups have the size to compete? We've seen LCCs enter a lot of markets and seen the fares drop, but the passengers (Elite or not) go "Yay for the low fares!" but still fly the legacy carrier that's matching those low fares and offering other perks too (Bonus Elite Miles, Bonus Miles, etc.) as well as often offering an expanded schedule. During the time of the LCC presence, the legacy carriers are bleeding cash but they have the resources to ride out the storm and wait for the LCC to call it quits and withdraw, and then raise the fares and reduce the perks.
Yes, the start-ups need good leadership and solid financial backing, but that is true of any start-up in a capital-intensive industry. Those that have it will manage to survive and even prosper if they execute.
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Then divide the figure by two. Kettles are most-likely more-profitable than a low revenue "elite". Low rev "elites" are being filtered out so that fees can be extracted from them. For every one that leaves DL and goes to UA, one will leave UA and come to DL. In a year when the new AA "aligns" its program to be more-competitive, where will you go? There are fees for all from EVERYONE. They may be disguised differently (WN higher fares, but free bags; B6 - more-room seating) but they are fees.
More price-sensitive passengers will put more downward pressure on fares.
A Kettle might be more profitable on a single flight. But DL doesn't have 100% occupancy, so it isn't shutting out the Kettles.
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You still seem to believe that there are only three airlines. Orbitz says otherwise. When I search there, they show many more than three options. Your favorite three will lose passengers to the others.
More price-sensitive passengers will put more downward pressure on fares.
A Kettle might be more profitable on a single flight. But DL doesn't have 100% occupancy, so it isn't shutting out the Kettles.
More price-sensitive passengers will put more downward pressure on fares.
A Kettle might be more profitable on a single flight. But DL doesn't have 100% occupancy, so it isn't shutting out the Kettles.
Spirit, Allegiant, and Frontier - good luck with the LCC model. Have fun with the 28 inch seat pitch and a fee to sneeze. WN - where will DL's "most valuable" customers find their upgrades there? What will become of the precious inflight entertainment? Will they actually be reduced to ......reading........a book? Good luck with IRROPS on any of those. VX and AS have such a limited route network. The big 3 have it locked up. If you leave DL, and just shopping by price, you are giving fees to the other guy. They will have plenty leaving them and coming to DL. True HVC will receive benefits. The 3G and G crowd is left in the dust.
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Sure...you have NK, B6, WN, VX, F9, G4 and I am sure I am forgetting a few.
Spirit, Allegiant, and Frontier - good luck with the LCC model. Have fun with the 28 inch seat pitch and a fee to sneeze. WN - where will DL's "most valuable" customers find their upgrades there? What will become of the precious inflight entertainment? Will they actually be reduced to ......reading........a book? Good luck with IRROPS on any of those. VX and AS have such a limited route network. The big 3 have it locked up. If you leave DL, and just shopping by price, you are giving fees to the other guy. They will have plenty leaving them and coming to DL. True HVC will receive benefits. The 3G and G crowd is left in the dust.
Spirit, Allegiant, and Frontier - good luck with the LCC model. Have fun with the 28 inch seat pitch and a fee to sneeze. WN - where will DL's "most valuable" customers find their upgrades there? What will become of the precious inflight entertainment? Will they actually be reduced to ......reading........a book? Good luck with IRROPS on any of those. VX and AS have such a limited route network. The big 3 have it locked up. If you leave DL, and just shopping by price, you are giving fees to the other guy. They will have plenty leaving them and coming to DL. True HVC will receive benefits. The 3G and G crowd is left in the dust.
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The "complaint," if you even call it that, is that the people with status that year, who don't renew at the same level, get a month's less status than they normally would.
And EVERYONE will eventually be one of those people, unless you plan on dying without dipping any lower on the Medallion ladder. You just lost a month on your 2025 Medallion year Diamond status, or whenever. Mine will hopefully come earlier.
So every single person with status (except the dead ones and we know what happens to them) just lost a month.
Isn't that worth at least a small sigh from the crowd?
And EVERYONE will eventually be one of those people, unless you plan on dying without dipping any lower on the Medallion ladder. You just lost a month on your 2025 Medallion year Diamond status, or whenever. Mine will hopefully come earlier.
So every single person with status (except the dead ones and we know what happens to them) just lost a month.
Isn't that worth at least a small sigh from the crowd?
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The "complaint," if you even call it that, is that the people with status that year, who don't renew at the same level, get a month's less status than they normally would.
And EVERYONE will eventually be one of those people, unless you plan on dying without dipping any lower on the Medallion ladder. You just lost a month on your 2025 Medallion year Diamond status, or whenever. Mine will hopefully come earlier.
So every single person with status (except the dead ones and we know what happens to them) just lost a month.
Isn't that worth at least a small sigh from the crowd?
And EVERYONE will eventually be one of those people, unless you plan on dying without dipping any lower on the Medallion ladder. You just lost a month on your 2025 Medallion year Diamond status, or whenever. Mine will hopefully come earlier.
So every single person with status (except the dead ones and we know what happens to them) just lost a month.
Isn't that worth at least a small sigh from the crowd?
Last edited by javabytes; Jan 3, 2014 at 9:41 pm
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I think you should have to subsidize any carrier to fly out of an airport with the same name as a sexually transmitted disease.
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DL is in Year 0 in 2013 in regard to the end of the Medallion year. From January 1, 2013, it was known that status earned in 2013 was good until February 28, 2015. They can't change the rules on that now. Thus, they announce before January 1, 2014 that status earned in 2014 (Year 1) is good through January 31, 2016.
Seems logical to me.
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That may be true but will the new start-ups have the size to compete? We've seen LCCs enter a lot of markets and seen the fares drop, but the passengers (Elite or not) go "Yay for the low fares!" but still fly the legacy carrier that's matching those low fares and offering other perks too (Bonus Elite Miles, Bonus Miles, etc.) as well as often offering an expanded schedule. During the time of the LCC presence, the legacy carriers are bleeding cash but they have the resources to ride out the storm and wait for the LCC to call it quits and withdraw, and then raise the fares and reduce the perks.
The "complaint," if you even call it that, is that the people with status that year, who don't renew at the same level, get a month's less status than they normally would.
And EVERYONE will eventually be one of those people, unless you plan on dying without dipping any lower on the Medallion ladder. You just lost a month on your 2025 Medallion year Diamond status, or whenever. Mine will hopefully come earlier.
So every single person with status (except the dead ones and we know what happens to them) just lost a month.
Isn't that worth at least a small sigh from the crowd?
And EVERYONE will eventually be one of those people, unless you plan on dying without dipping any lower on the Medallion ladder. You just lost a month on your 2025 Medallion year Diamond status, or whenever. Mine will hopefully come earlier.
So every single person with status (except the dead ones and we know what happens to them) just lost a month.
Isn't that worth at least a small sigh from the crowd?
No small sigh from this Diamond. True, we will 'lose' a month somewhere in the future -- unless the rules change again -- but IMO, that is a small tradeoff for knowing that for one additional month every year, there won't be pseudo elites competing for UG's. I will gladly take that tradeoff for the next 10 yrs.
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You still seem to believe that there are only three airlines. Orbitz says otherwise. When I search there, they show many more than three options. Your favorite three will lose passengers to the others.
More price-sensitive passengers will put more downward pressure on fares.
A Kettle might be more profitable on a single flight. But DL doesn't have 100% occupancy, so it isn't shutting out the Kettles.
More price-sensitive passengers will put more downward pressure on fares.
A Kettle might be more profitable on a single flight. But DL doesn't have 100% occupancy, so it isn't shutting out the Kettles.
Happy?
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