2014 SkyMiles Program Changes
#1231



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It only makes sense, because a dead customer is, well, a dead customer.
David
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Va Ave usually waits until about June or July for the really big changes... to ensure that folks don't have time to switch to another airline and still gain elite status there for the next year. The anchor is firmly set by about mid-year.
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Once a year isn't enough, program changes are made (often without advance notice) at any old time. The 72 hour rule came out in August of 2011 and was effective immediately. By the way, is everybody enjoying that wide open availability for close-in bookings? Anybody? Anybody at all? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Even Hilton Honors only devalues once a year.
With a big enough hit, my temporAAry defection might become more permanent.
David
#1236
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: San Jose, CA
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Gifted Status Limitations Ridiculous
Dear SkyMilesTeam,
In another thread it's come to my attention that there is going to be a big conflict with the new GUC expiration/application policy and the gifted Gold Medallion status.
The system does not allow you to gift status to someone if they currently hold that same status or higher. So if my wife is currently gold through Feb 28, 2014 then I must wait until March 1, 2014 when the status drops off to re-gift her status. This really does not make sense because the choice benefit specifically states the period in which the gifted person will have their status:
The problem now is that DMs who gift the same person status each year will be required to wait until the March 1 following their qualification for DM before selecting both choice benefits. If they also take the new GUCs, then those GUCs would expire on March 1 the following year and any travel using them would also have to be completed by March 1. If they re-qualify for DM they'll again have to wait until march 1 the following year to select their GUCs, which prevents them from applying it to any future booked travel. If they had a trip planned for March/April/May, they'd probably book it well before March 1 and upgrade inventory may be available when they book. But they couldn't actually try to upgrade until March 1, and the UG inventory would probably be gone by then.
It's a very simple and logical fix really. It makes no sense why you can't just gift status to someone who is currently holding the same status. Have it add on to the following year. Either that, or allow DM's to select one choice benefit at a time.
In another thread it's come to my attention that there is going to be a big conflict with the new GUC expiration/application policy and the gifted Gold Medallion status.
The system does not allow you to gift status to someone if they currently hold that same status or higher. So if my wife is currently gold through Feb 28, 2014 then I must wait until March 1, 2014 when the status drops off to re-gift her status. This really does not make sense because the choice benefit specifically states the period in which the gifted person will have their status:
...for selections made for 2014 Choice Benefits, companion status is good through February 28, 2015
It's a very simple and logical fix really. It makes no sense why you can't just gift status to someone who is currently holding the same status. Have it add on to the following year. Either that, or allow DM's to select one choice benefit at a time.
#1237

Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Seattle, WA
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Dear SkyMilesTeam,
In another thread it's come to my attention that there is going to be a big conflict with the new GUC expiration/application policy and the gifted Gold Medallion status.
The system does not allow you to gift status to someone if they currently hold that same status or higher. So if my wife is currently gold through Feb 28, 2014 then I must wait until March 1, 2014 when the status drops off to re-gift her status. This really does not make sense because the choice benefit specifically states the period in which the gifted person will have their status:
The problem now is that DMs who gift the same person status each year will be required to wait until the March 1 following their qualification for DM before selecting both choice benefits. If they also take the new GUCs, then those GUCs would expire on March 1 the following year and any travel using them would also have to be completed by March 1. If they re-qualify for DM they'll again have to wait until march 1 the following year to select their GUCs, which prevents them from applying it to any future booked travel. If they had a trip planned for March/April/May, they'd probably book it well before March 1 and upgrade inventory may be available when they book. But they couldn't actually try to upgrade until March 1, and the UG inventory would probably be gone by then.
It's a very simple and logical fix really. It makes no sense why you can't just gift status to someone who is currently holding the same status. Have it add on to the following year. Either that, or allow DM's to select one choice benefit at a time.
In another thread it's come to my attention that there is going to be a big conflict with the new GUC expiration/application policy and the gifted Gold Medallion status.
The system does not allow you to gift status to someone if they currently hold that same status or higher. So if my wife is currently gold through Feb 28, 2014 then I must wait until March 1, 2014 when the status drops off to re-gift her status. This really does not make sense because the choice benefit specifically states the period in which the gifted person will have their status:
The problem now is that DMs who gift the same person status each year will be required to wait until the March 1 following their qualification for DM before selecting both choice benefits. If they also take the new GUCs, then those GUCs would expire on March 1 the following year and any travel using them would also have to be completed by March 1. If they re-qualify for DM they'll again have to wait until march 1 the following year to select their GUCs, which prevents them from applying it to any future booked travel. If they had a trip planned for March/April/May, they'd probably book it well before March 1 and upgrade inventory may be available when they book. But they couldn't actually try to upgrade until March 1, and the UG inventory would probably be gone by then.
It's a very simple and logical fix really. It makes no sense why you can't just gift status to someone who is currently holding the same status. Have it add on to the following year. Either that, or allow DM's to select one choice benefit at a time.
#1238




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#1239




Join Date: Feb 2013
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For What It's Worth........
It is too early in the year for major changes to be announced.
Va Ave usually waits until about June or July for the really big changes... to ensure that folks don't have time to switch to another airline and still gain elite status there for the next year. The anchor is firmly set by about mid-year.
Va Ave usually waits until about June or July for the really big changes... to ensure that folks don't have time to switch to another airline and still gain elite status there for the next year. The anchor is firmly set by about mid-year.
1)Reduce(Max Carry Over 5,000/10,000 SkyMiles???)/Eliminate Rollover Miles - They said this has the greatest chance of passing DEPENDING on how "thin" the ranks get.
2)Reduce/Eliminate "Unlimited" Upgrades(This was mentioned about 1.5 years ago on FT)(They claim that DL posted that # of FC seats YTD is down 16%
3)Tie RDM to price/fare class
4)Increase "MQD's"/"MQM's" amounts(again depending on how "thin" the ranks get....Either removing "MQS's" all together or changing their #'s to earn status
5)PM's possibly loosing Choice benefit
Lastly, DL's "books" are still showing HUGE liabilities with people HOARDING SkyMiles, so they said DL is considering having "Weekend Getaways" for REDUCED amounts.........so that's a POSITIVE!
Last edited by KOTAR1988; Feb 25, 2014 at 8:23 pm Reason: Removed some details
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While it may already be too late, how about considering editing out some of the extraneous details of where and when in order to reduce the possibility that the parties involved can be ID'd?
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"1)Reduce(Max Carry Over 5,000/10,000 SkyMiles???)/Eliminate Rollover Miles - ..."
What... no more Sextuple Diamonds?
What... no more Sextuple Diamonds?
#1242
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Location: ATL
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Referencing the linked post, can we say "Revenue Based Mileage Accrual (RBMA), Release 1"? While the dates on that posting have obviously come and gone, the road map is there.
#1243
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I can't see them eliminating free upgrades. They've already ticked off enough people by eliminating JFK routes to the west coast from upgrades. As a diamond not on a discount fare this weekend dtw/lax it doesn't look like I'll clear either way (only 1 seat in first on Friday), and it's not like the short haul upgrades are costing them anything. I could see them going with a sticker system like American has for silver and gold's.
I wouldn't be surprised to see MQM rollover's being limited. If that happens though I will consider using Amtrak or driving on my Chicago trips instead of using Delta
I wouldn't be surprised to see MQM rollover's being limited. If that happens though I will consider using Amtrak or driving on my Chicago trips instead of using Delta
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My bet for this year is:
1) Devaluations to earning rates for lower fare classes
2) Elimination of upgrades on lower fare classes (I'm on the fence about this one... If they push FCM and realign the Medallion ranks to what they believe are HVCs, I could see this not happening)
3) Reduction of Medallion bonuses for GM and PM to 50% and 75%, respectively
I also wouldn't be surprised to see further devaluations to the award charts.
I don't think DL will make the jump to revenue-based mileage accrual and redemption, at least not until UA or AA do.
1) Devaluations to earning rates for lower fare classes
2) Elimination of upgrades on lower fare classes (I'm on the fence about this one... If they push FCM and realign the Medallion ranks to what they believe are HVCs, I could see this not happening)
3) Reduction of Medallion bonuses for GM and PM to 50% and 75%, respectively
I also wouldn't be surprised to see further devaluations to the award charts.
I don't think DL will make the jump to revenue-based mileage accrual and redemption, at least not until UA or AA do.
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This thread reminds me of the Arthur C. Clarke quote that BMW used in one of the Olympics commercials (one of my favorite authors, so it grabbed my attention).
Any suggestions?
"Trying to predict the future is a discouraging and hazardous occupation...If by some miracle a prophet could describe the future exactly as it was going to take place, his predictions would sound so absurd that people everyone would laugh him to scorn. The only thing we can be sure of about the future is that it will be absolutely fantastic. So, if what I say now seems to you to be very reasonable, then I will have failed completely. Only if what I tell you appears absolutely unbelievable have we any chance of visualizing the future as it really will happen."
Only, in this case, I would substitute another adjective for "fantastic."Any suggestions?

