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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 12:46 pm
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Originally Posted by cheesewhiz
Is it bad that part of me is looking forward to some DM screaming for Delta to thin the herd of so-called low-rev medallions because they can't get aisle EC seats on transcons?
Delta will change the pricing on the transcon EC seats to where GMs only get discounted EC seats instead of free.

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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by DiverDave
Delta will change the pricing on the transcon EC seats to where GMs only get discounted EC seats instead of free.

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Why wouldn't they just institute a true 3-cabin BE, F/EC, & Y? Then UGs could be from Y to EC, with Op-Ups into BE. This would make everyone happy!
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by CabinCaptive
Why wouldn't they just institute a true 3-cabin BE, F/EC, & Y? Then UGs could be from Y to EC, with Op-Ups into BE. This would make everyone happy!
I wouldn't like the precedent. Next upgrades will be only into EC on all other flights.
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 2:12 pm
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Originally Posted by SkyMilesTeam
As we come to the end of the calendar year, well be sending out emails this week to tell you about some upcoming changes to the SkyMiles program many of which will begin at the start of the new Medallion program year on March 1, 2014.

Changes to Systemwide Upgrades (SWUs):
We are always looking for opportunities to fine-tune the Medallion program and weve received a lot of valuable feedback about the SWUs component of our Medallion benefits.

On March 1, 2014, were replacing SWUs with two new certificate types: Global Upgrades and Regional Upgrades. Global Upgrades will be available on all routes and Regional Upgrades will be available on the same routes as Medallion Complimentary Upgrades, but have a higher priority.

Both Global and Regional Upgrades will be valid on Delta flights for all paid Economy class fares except for E, providing you even more options and convenience.

  • Diamond Medallion members can choose either four Global Upgrades or eight Regional Upgrades as one of their Choice Benefits selections

  • Platinum Medallion members can choose four Regional Upgrades


The current SWUs will still be available as Choice Benefits selections through February 28, 2014 and all the terms and conditions of the existing certificates continue to apply.

Added Choice Benefits:
There will also be two new Choice Benefits options available for selection beginning March 1, 2014:

Global Entry application vouchers Diamond Medallion members can select 2 and Platinum Medallion members can select one

Tiffany & Co. Diamond Medallion premium luggage tags (2 for Diamond Medallions only)

Unlimited Complimentary Upgrades:

Starting with the new Medallion program year on March 1, 2014, Medallion members will enjoy Complimentary Upgrades on flights between Hawaii and Los Angeles, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, or Seattle. However, in light of significant investments in our coast-to-coast BusinessElite experience - including premium amenities like fully flat-bed seats, Westin Heavenly In-Flight Bedding, on-demand entertainment, and premium dining - we will no longer offer Medallion Complimentary Upgrades on flights between New York-JFK and Los Angeles, San Francisco, or Seattle beginning March 1, 2014.

More information about the program changes for the 2014 Medallion year are available on the SkyMiles News and Updates section of delta.com. Well be following your comments here and look forward to reading your feedback.
For those of us Diamonds that selected 2014 Choice benefit a few days PRIOR to the announcement about improvements to system-wide upgrades, we are getting shafted because i called to change and good old delta said "can't changes after election". This is very very bad business, kind of like "bait and switch" and this long time Diamond (along with his diamond girlfriend) are both fuming mad. Has anyone else had this issue? Probably many i just didn't go through the 59 pages on this thread.
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by jcore
Has anyone else had this issue? Probably many i just didn't go through the 59 pages on this thread.
Yes, many others posted in this thread, are also very P.O.'d for the exact same reason as you. (not I)
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 7:12 pm
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Originally Posted by DiverDave
PMs can already "steal" upgrades with SWUs on a K fare or above. I guess I will have to brag next year about how I stole some DM's upgrade using one of my 4 RUs.

Does everything on FT have to turn into class warfare?
It is what it is.

Upgrades on international flights are into BE seats that would otherwise remain empty.

A PM getting an upgrade with an RU just means that someone who would have been higher on the list didn't get it.

At least with SWUs, a PM using one (possibly) had to pay more.
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 8:48 pm
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As someone that flies JFK-SFO frequently, the new changes are insanely aggravating. But having flown paid first on a few other airlines since the announcement, DL's overall product remains hard to beat. Was really looking for reasons to like the other products... just not feeling it. Which leaves me feeling stuck and bitter about my transcons still.
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 9:52 pm
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Originally Posted by alee0729
As someone that flies JFK-SFO frequently, the new changes are insanely aggravating. But having flown paid first on a few other airlines since the announcement, DL's overall product remains hard to beat. Was really looking for reasons to like the other products... just not feeling it. Which leaves me feeling stuck and bitter about my transcons still.
Serious question - If you've flown paid first several times in the past nine days (on other airlines) since the announcement, why wouldn't you just buy paid BE on Delta? Unless you mean paid first on non-transcon routes, which are usually less expensive than the transcons. Just curious.
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Old Dec 19, 2013 | 10:55 pm
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In the new 2014 new system, when traveling with my Base Medallion spouse, could I use an RU for him and hope for my complimentary upgrade, as long as we're on the same PNR?
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Old Dec 20, 2013 | 5:58 am
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Originally Posted by DiscoPapa
Serious question - If you've flown paid first several times in the past nine days (on other airlines) since the announcement, why wouldn't you just buy paid BE on Delta? Unless you mean paid first on non-transcon routes, which are usually less expensive than the transcons. Just curious.
Trying to decide whether to status challenge next year. I usually get upgraded to BE on JFK-SFO on DL by controlling the dates and time of travel, and am able to pay/expense M fares to do so. Figured if I'm going to rebuild loyalty, can't really base it just on a forum opinion of product.

Mixed up my fight schedules this past week to fly some paid first products, and have tried AA and UA transcons now all in the last quarter. Work won't expense paid F, but will expense M fares.

Probably the most bothersome has been the UA Zone 1 problem - it's like the SkyPriority issue flying DL out of ATL. If everyone has it, you probably need a better way to segment boarding.

Seems everyone's bent on diluting benefits rather than raising the difficulty. Kill rollovers and make earning miles-based DM as difficult to earn as segment-based DM. I have a ton of respect for anyone that earns DM flying segments only... I couldn't do it, but they deserve the nicer benefits.
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Old Dec 20, 2013 | 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by alee0729
As someone that flies JFK-SFO frequently, the new changes are insanely aggravating. But having flown paid first on a few other airlines since the announcement, DL's overall product remains hard to beat. Was really looking for reasons to like the other products... just not feeling it. Which leaves me feeling stuck and bitter about my transcons still.
AA F > DL F (and I have flown both, on DL's 752/738s and AA M80/763/77W/738.)
I got to fly DL F as I was relegated to DL but booked with a Medallion on the same PNR.
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Old Dec 20, 2013 | 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by 5khours
Why any company would pay for YBM fares is beyond me. DL was basically scamming the system by creating an incentive for employees to book over-priced fares in order to use their SWUs. This wasted company money and created a system where there were no international UG benefits for people working for companies with rationale travel policies or those who were weren't profligate or irresponsible with their employer's money.
If you were Delta, why would you want that to end?

Originally Posted by cheesewhiz
Is it bad that part of me is looking forward to some DM screaming for Delta to thin the herd of so-called low-rev medallions because they can't get aisle EC seats on transcons?
That's somewhat the point of MQD. Seems like there's a fair number of marginal FOs/GMs who won't be "hogging" the EC seats.
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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 12:14 am
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
If you were Delta, why would you want that to end?



That's somewhat the point of MQD. Seems like there's a fair number of marginal FOs/GMs who won't be "hogging" the EC seats.
I wonder whether DL has been getting some complaints from major corporate contract potential customers about issues with DL incentivizing employees to purchase tickets that are more expensive than necessary in order to be eligible for upgrades.
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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 1:04 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
I wonder whether DL has been getting some complaints from major corporate contract potential customers about issues with DL incentivizing employees to purchase tickets that are more expensive than necessary in order to be eligible for upgrades.
Not sure why employers would complain to DL about that. Seems like that's on the company to set and enforce the policy. My employer is wise to the practice and specifically disallows up-faring to improve upgrade eligibility/chances.
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Old Dec 21, 2013 | 1:51 am
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