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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 3:33 pm
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Originally Posted by FitTraveler
Any word on the Delta360 "experiment" and how they will be impacted by the 2014 program changes?

Will Delta360 passengers receive more generous upgrade opportunities on JFK-LAX/SFO/SEA and international flights?
They should! If DL does a good job identifying them, they will have identified the backbone of DL
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 4:12 pm
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I do not think Delta 360's will be waiting for upgrades.
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 4:30 pm
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Almost all of my travel is SEA-JFK. This is absolutely horrible. Maybe it's time to switch to AS ex-SEA
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by bubbashow
They should! If DL does a good job identifying them, they will have identified the backbone of DL
There is a slippery slope here. If DL 360's are currently the highest revenue customers, $7.5 K J international and $2k+ transcons, and they are now guaranteed upgrades, they may switch to the $1.5K Y fares international and $500 transcons. If this happens, DL loses massive marginal revenue. This is one of the main factors that kept SWUs YBM. You need to keep the high revenue from the HVCs.
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 5:23 pm
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 5:40 pm
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I've been watching this threat with great interest and must admit that I am very suspect of DL's intentions with these changes.

While the regional and global upgrades sound appealing, if the availability of low-mileage award tickets is any indication, we'll never get to use these. Personally, I will not be selecting these as my Diamond benefit until I see how this plays out.

As for the no complimentary UGs on the BE transcons out of JFK I think they are making a huge mistake. By not offering these they have eliminated any reason for the most elite flyer to remain loyal to DL. If AA/US offers I would jump ship in a heartbeat.

DL's strategy of late has been perplexing to me.
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 7:41 pm
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Originally Posted by bennos
As has been observed many times in this thread, mileage upgrades on these routes do not clear since there is almost never advance inventory and mileage upgrades do not clear at the gate.

To those expecting the ~$250 gate upgrades... DL never sells these on the international routes, why would they do so on these routes (after 3/1)?
So this means that anyone still on the upgrade waitlist at the gate is 100% going to get the upgrade as long as there still is an unsold seat? In other words, the plane won't depart with an empty premium seat and an elite remaining on list with a certificate. This would be pretty awesome.

People say the old SWU's are a gamble if you buy up for an M+ without clearing at time of purchase. But if we use the new global upgrades on a V fare, then I don't see the risk. I would be stuck in the back of the plane under the old scheme anyway.
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 9:24 pm
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As a lowly PM, I was upgraded last night JFK-SFO. I thoroughly enjoyed the flight, knowing it was likely the last time that will happen for me.
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 9:30 pm
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Originally Posted by lbcnu
As a lowly PM, I was upgraded last night JFK-SFO. I thoroughly enjoyed the flight, knowing it was likely the last time that will happen for me.
IIRC the change isn't effective until the new program year starts on March 1. There's still time to make more transcon trips.
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Old Dec 14, 2013 | 9:42 pm
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Originally Posted by turkeyRIOO
There is a slippery slope here. If DL 360's are currently the highest revenue customers, $7.5 K J international and $2k+ transcons, and they are now guaranteed upgrades, they may switch to the $1.5K Y fares international and $500 transcons. If this happens, DL loses massive marginal revenue. This is one of the main factors that kept SWUs YBM. You need to keep the high revenue from the HVCs.
turkeyRIOO, you are thinking too much here.
The "vast majority" of these folks are
(a) OPMs, who have their assistant book travel based on policy. The assistant is allowed to book J/F, the assistant books J/F. This flight becomes part of the overall travel scheme. The person flying (HVC) has no idea of the fare or fare code or anything else. They are too busy, to worry about such trivial things

or (b) typical high earners, this is of minimal worry. When you earn in excess of 1million/year+++ (most) people don't sit around analyzing such things, unless, it's a personal interest and hobby (of which, it is NOT for the vast majority of people who fly).
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
turkeyRIOO, you are thinking too much here.
The "vast majority" of these folks are
(a) OPMs, who have their assistant book travel based on policy. The assistant is allowed to book J/F, the assistant books J/F. This flight becomes part of the overall travel scheme. The person flying (HVC) has no idea of the fare or fare code or anything else. They are too busy, to worry about such trivial things

or (b) typical high earners, this is of minimal worry. When you earn in excess of 1million/year+++ (most) people don't sit around analyzing such things, unless, it's a personal interest and hobby (of which, it is NOT for the vast majority of people who fly).

Agreed. My guess is that someone becomes 360 because they pay for BE.
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 2:06 am
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Originally Posted by jdrtravel
Agreed. My guess is that someone becomes 360 because they pay for BE.
with emphasis on the they

OPM is a very big factor here. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Also, sometimes, in for a pound.....

For instance, one that has the means who regularly buys M+ for 2500 (with the intention to upgrade), but now is unable to confirm a few upgrades decides to just purchase the Z for 3400.

But, in my experience, most OPM situations are either BusinessElite or a fare class that cannot regularly upgrade (new, Global Upgrades, notwithstanding). Often those required to book coach are required to book lowest fare, and those fares are often in classes below M+. Even with ticket change fees, discount fares often are most cost effective (even with a change when necessary, and change fee) for these flyers.
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 5:42 am
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On the surface the ability to upgrade any fare with the Global certificates seems like a homerun... However, I suppose time will tell what inventory Delta releases for said upgrades. Analagous to Delta offering award flights for 5 miles but never releasing the seats. In their entirety, these changes appear to be a net positive...
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 9:36 am
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Bye Bye Delta...

I've been basically commuting from LAX to NYC for years, and know dozens of others who have as well. All of us are diamond or platinum, and of the several I've spoken to, every singe one is about to burn through our accumulated miles, and head elsewhere. Personally, I've had at least Platinum status for about a decade, so I'm surprised they're going to let us all go as we're fairly high revenue fliers. I suspect they think that businesses will buy out the seats but almost all of us are writers/actors/consultants traveling on our own businesses dime...really surprising.
Ah well...
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Old Dec 15, 2013 | 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by SOBE ER DOC
I've been watching this threat with great interest and must admit that I am very suspect of DL's intentions with these changes.
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Freudian slip? ^

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