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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 5:27 am
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Originally Posted by jdrtravel
I would like to officially welcome all PM's to the ranks of silvers and golds that Delta does not care about.
Originally Posted by JBJ2435
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Seems Delta wants only DM's on their flights.
I may be in the minority, but the idea that DM is now gaining some separation from PM is good in my book. It makes justifying a last minute MR a little easier.... I am not saying that DM has the value it should based on requirements, but PM & DM have been a bit too similar in the past considering the 50K difference in qualification.

My fear is that DM's are being setup to rejoin the ranks of SM-PM. DL is great about promising you the world, only to rip the rug out from under you....
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 5:36 am
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Originally Posted by Crazyhotelguy
I may be in the minority, but the idea that DM is now gaining some separation from PM is good in my book. It makes justifying a last minute MR a little easier.... I am not saying that DM has the value it should based on requirements, but PM & DM have been a bit too similar in the past considering the 50K difference in qualification.

My fear is that DM's are being setup to rejoin the ranks of SM-PM. DL is great about promising you the world, only to rip the rug out from under you....
I agree with this, conceptually. Even as a not particularly happy Platinum (who has a happier Diamond SO).

But, and it's a big BUT, it's all going to come down to how easy (or hard) it is to use the (any fare) Global Upgrades for international flights.

This is something, I "think" we will have to wait to find out about. I am not particularly optimistic, it will be easy to clear these upgrades (in advance); but perhaps, if they clear with a good % at the gate, it will be ok. The ability to upgrade a €500 to €1200 roundtrip from Europe to the States is a pretty big deal (same for Asia, though, I hardly track those routes and/or fares).
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 5:43 am
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Originally Posted by Crazyhotelguy
My fear is that DM's are being setup to rejoin the ranks of SM-PM. DL is great about promising you the world, only to rip the rug out from under you....
^ It's only a matter of time.
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 5:46 am
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Originally Posted by baccarat_king
I agree with this, conceptually. Even as a not particularly happy Platinum (who has a happier Diamond SO).

But, and it's a big BUT, it's all going to come down to how easy (or hard) it is to use the (any fare) Global Upgrades for international flights.

This is something, I "think" we will have to wait to find out about. I am not particularly optimistic, it will be easy to clear these upgrades (in advance); but perhaps, if they clear with a good % at the gate, it will be ok. The ability to upgrade a 500 to 1200 roundtrip from Europe to the States is a pretty big deal (same for Asia, though, I hardly track those routes and/or fares).
Something tells me the ug availability will be so rare that the GU 's will be evrn more worthless than the current SWU. But I will withhold official judgement. I will not choose the GU as my benefit this year... I await the FT reviews...
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 5:47 am
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Originally Posted by Bicostal
Delta makes no profit on an empty BE seat.
They do if the person upgraded to the front cabin opens up a Y seat that could then be sold. @:-)

In addition, by giving a free UG to a Medallion they are reinforcing the reason hy that person should stay loyal to DL and not jump ship and spend their travel money with another carrier.
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 5:51 am
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Originally Posted by bdschobel
It's fascinating when businesses think that they determine the price of a nearly generic product, rather than the marketplace.

Bruce
So true!!!

IMHO there is an arrogance coming from Virginia Ave. that was prevalent in the Rob Borden days right before the Save SkyMiles movement started several years ago.
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 5:51 am
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Originally Posted by Crazyhotelguy
Something tells me the ug availability will be so rare that the GU 's will be evrn more worthless than the current SWU. But I will withhold official judgement. I will not choose the GU as my benefit this year... I await the FT reviews...
We (my SO and I), have had decent success with SWUs in our primary market; as I have posted before :

Well, I've confirmed (upgrades in BusinessElite SWUs or mileage); some as much as 70+ days in advance. Some confirming from waitlist, some at time of request. (and others, as noted, at the KLM lounge on day of departure).

Time period : June 2013 to January 2014

BOS-AMS x4 (Y fares for 3, M fare for 1)
AMS-MSP-PHL x1 (M fares)
PBI-ATL-AMS x1 (M fares)
AMS-BOS x4 (these were KLM Lounge upgrades)

That's my PERSONAL experience.
It's not perfect, but we have confirmed quite a few upgrades on a route which is dominated by one carrier (Delta is the ONLY non-stop).

Of course, as a Platinum, the "party ends" for me, but it could be a decent situation for my SO who is Diamond. I guess, we shall see......
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 6:05 am
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Originally Posted by rwoman
Anyone else notice this and other threads posted by DwayneSkyMiles are now attributed to the SkyMilesTeam?


The change just went live yesterday when the site admins fulfilled our request for the name change. I'll be posting a better explanation later today with a quick recap. The change is minor, but have to say...nothing gets by this group. Nothing.
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 6:44 am
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Originally Posted by Crazyhotelguy
DL is great about promising you the world, only to rip the rug out from under you....
Whoa, I thought you were talking about wives for a minute.

Originally Posted by Crazyhotelguy
Something tells me the ug availability will be so rare that the GU 's will be evrn more worthless than the current SWU. But I will withhold official judgement. I will not choose the GU as my benefit this year... I await the FT reviews...
Doubtful they will be more worthless, more likely the same kind of thing where they wont be available until a couple days before flt or at the gate, if at all. GMUs have one huge advantage over the older SWUs With SWUs you had to buy expensive M+ fares and if there was no inventory, you were out a lot of money. With the new GMUs, you are paying a cheap fare for EC and if the cert doesnt clear, it goes back into your account.

My concern is something very common. Like most here, all my intl flts are connections. I can easily see where the dom flt clears with the GMU but the intl seg never clears. Now that will be an extreme waste of a good cert. Since I havent even chosen 2013 bens yet, I will also wait and see how this goes.
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 6:45 am
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Originally Posted by DLCorpGuy
The change is minor, but have to say...nothing gets by this group. Nothing.
So true.

So....very....true.
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 7:07 am
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Originally Posted by GeorgeBurdell
Regarding the JFK upgrades: Delta adds some additional food and a better blanket and pillow to justify taking away upgrades? Not much of a deal, especially for day trips. Not that the Westin blanket and pillow are bad.
Bit off topic, but I actually preferred the previous larger feather pillow, even with being occasionally poked by a feather. New blanket is very nice.
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 7:16 am
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Originally Posted by DLCorpGuy
The change just went live yesterday when the site admins fulfilled our request for the name change. I'll be posting a better explanation later today with a quick recap. The change is minor, but have to say...nothing gets by this group. Nothing.
Not that remarkable IMO. If, every day you step out your front door and get hit in the head with a bucket of BS, you become trained to look for and expect another bucket of BS.

Enjoy your FT visit(s) and the info/intel it provides your team.
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 7:27 am
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Originally Posted by Ti22
Not that remarkable IMO. If, every day you step out your front door and get hit in the head with a bucket of BS, you become trained to look for and expect another bucket of BS.

Enjoy your FT visit(s) and the info/intel it provides your team.
LOLOLOLOL....sure....ignore your marketing team...ignore the focus groups...ignore the research.....ignore the combined hundreds and hundreds of years of airline experience.....ignore the market trends....ignore the economy.....ignore the competition. DL - just use the intel and info here. Nothing better upon which to base your business than a collection of folks who don't want to pay for the service they desire. Somehow if you don't follow them, it will be the end.
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by bubbashow
LOLOLOLOL....sure....ignore your marketing team...ignore the focus groups...ignore the research.....ignore the combined hundreds and hundreds of years of airline experience.....ignore the market trends....ignore the economy.....ignore the competition. DL - just use the intel and info here. Nothing better upon which to base your business than a collection of folks who don't want to pay for the service they desire. Somehow if you don't follow them, it will be the end.
Fixed it for ya!

DL - just use they desire. Somehow if you don't will be the for they desire...ignore the follow them, it want to pay focus groups...ignore the market trends...ignore they desire. Nothing be the intel and info here. Nothing team....ignore the combined hundreds of airlined hundreds and info here. Nothing team.........ignore the market trend. LOLOLOLOLOL...ignore than a combiness them, it will better upon of airlined hundreds of airliness the experience....ignore than a competition. DL - just use your
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Old Dec 13, 2013 | 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by bubbashow
LOLOLOLOL....sure....ignore your marketing team...ignore the focus groups...ignore the research.....ignore the combined hundreds and hundreds of years of airline experience.....ignore the market trends....ignore the economy.....ignore the competition. DL - just use the intel and info here. Nothing better upon which to base your business than a collection of folks who don't want to pay for the service they desire. Somehow if you don't follow them, it will be the end.
Geez, little overreaction? I didn't see anything in that post to say only use some of the crazy posts on FT for their info. However, it is another source of information, and any smart company should be taking advantage of all of the available information sources since there are some good insights and opinions here in between the crap.
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