“Do You Know Who I Am?”: The Definitive Thread of DYKWIA Stories
Mar 25, 2014, 9:54 am
#3196
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This cannot be a true story - no one is that much of an a$$..
On a flight just this week, a guy boarded late on my flight. When he reached his row, he immediately grabbed a rollaboard out of the bin, held it in the air, and demanded "whose is this?" When the pax one row back said it was his, Bin Badger set it on the ground and said "find somewhere else for it."
He then immediately grabbed a backpack and again demanded someone identify it as theirs. Lady across did and he shoved it at her and told her to put it under her seat. As she was mentioning that it was her main bag and she had her purse under her seat already, the Bin Badger slid a second full size rollaboard into its place. He immediately move on to removing a THIRD bag from the bin to repeat the cycle.
At this point the FA had arrived and several pax in the area were starting to give each other "..." looks. To her credit, FA immediately recognized that this jerk was going to be a problem and focused instead on making sure he wasn't being too rough with the other bags, trying to get them near their owners (all within 2-3 rows anyway) and generally keeping a bad situation from getting worse.
The whole scene was unreal. Felt particularly bad when backpack lady asked him to be careful with her bag as he was forcefully shoving it upside down into the edge of a bin he had just filled with his third suitcase. Apparently she had some fragile items in the top of her bag that he had just crushed.
Ignoring the the rollaboards, this guy was in EC bulkhead and I know I've been n situations where I had to ask those around me if they wouldn't mind making room for my briefcase, but I always thought the correct way to handle this was to ask, then ask again if I could touch/move their bag, then to treat others' belongings as if it were my mother-in-law's heirloom crystal.
Never ceases to amaze me how some people think that they are somehow more important than anyone else around them. I don't even demand respect, just a little basic consideration and common courtesy...
He then immediately grabbed a backpack and again demanded someone identify it as theirs. Lady across did and he shoved it at her and told her to put it under her seat. As she was mentioning that it was her main bag and she had her purse under her seat already, the Bin Badger slid a second full size rollaboard into its place. He immediately move on to removing a THIRD bag from the bin to repeat the cycle.
At this point the FA had arrived and several pax in the area were starting to give each other "..." looks. To her credit, FA immediately recognized that this jerk was going to be a problem and focused instead on making sure he wasn't being too rough with the other bags, trying to get them near their owners (all within 2-3 rows anyway) and generally keeping a bad situation from getting worse.
The whole scene was unreal. Felt particularly bad when backpack lady asked him to be careful with her bag as he was forcefully shoving it upside down into the edge of a bin he had just filled with his third suitcase. Apparently she had some fragile items in the top of her bag that he had just crushed.
Ignoring the the rollaboards, this guy was in EC bulkhead and I know I've been n situations where I had to ask those around me if they wouldn't mind making room for my briefcase, but I always thought the correct way to handle this was to ask, then ask again if I could touch/move their bag, then to treat others' belongings as if it were my mother-in-law's heirloom crystal.
Never ceases to amaze me how some people think that they are somehow more important than anyone else around them. I don't even demand respect, just a little basic consideration and common courtesy...
Mar 25, 2014, 10:23 am
#3197
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I checked in at the Parlmer House Hilton Chicago last night and heard a gold ask if they would upgrade to him to a suite or give him lounge access. Suite upgrades are only for diamonds, not a gold benefit, but I didn't think it made him a DYKWIA for asking for something that isn't a benefit. Now if he would have made an issue out of it when the front desk declined him, I would say that is DYKWIA behavior.
Mar 25, 2014, 12:34 pm
#3198
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I personally think all bulkhead seats should be allowed to board with Premium, or at the very least Sky.
Mar 25, 2014, 12:38 pm
#3199
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I remember back before Zone boarding, when boarding was done just by rows from the back working forward, it was common to hear "Now boarding rows 30 through 40 and Row 10" (or whatever the bulkhead row was) so that the bulkhead passengers would be assured bin space.
Mar 25, 2014, 12:44 pm
#3200
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Mar 25, 2014, 12:51 pm
#3201
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Mar 25, 2014, 12:58 pm
#3202
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I thought the last time I had a bulkhead it had PREM on it when I flew LAS/DTW. I agree though people in bulkheads should be allowed to board with SKY if they are non-status since nothing can go in the seat in front of them.
Mar 25, 2014, 1:10 pm
#3203
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I don't think asking makes someone a DYKWIA in this instance. If they insist on the upgreade, I agree, but no harming in asking.
I checked in at the Parlmer House Hilton Chicago last night and heard a gold ask if they would upgrade to him to a suite or give him lounge access. Suite upgrades are only for diamonds, not a gold benefit, but I didn't think it made him a DYKWIA for asking for something that isn't a benefit. Now if he would have made an issue out of it when the front desk declined him, I would say that is DYKWIA behavior.
I checked in at the Parlmer House Hilton Chicago last night and heard a gold ask if they would upgrade to him to a suite or give him lounge access. Suite upgrades are only for diamonds, not a gold benefit, but I didn't think it made him a DYKWIA for asking for something that isn't a benefit. Now if he would have made an issue out of it when the front desk declined him, I would say that is DYKWIA behavior.
I'm not suppose to get suite upgrades or lounge access at SPG's with the Delta crossover benefit, buth ave read where others have had success in asking. I do get lucky at times, as do others in my office, but none of us makes a big deal if that doesnt happen, just like I would hope a Hilton Gold wouldn't get upset if they are told they can't have a suite upgrade even if there are suites available or a Delta diamond wouldn't be upset if they get stuck sitting in the back if there are empty seats in J.
Glad to hear the Palmer House isn't giving out lounge access anymore. Hopefully it is more peaceful now
Mar 25, 2014, 1:23 pm
#3204
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It's not 5-10 minutes. It's at most a minute, while F clears. Someone farther back is going to have to pull down a suitcase, giving you the opportunity to move back and get yours. I do this all the time, and it sounds like you have just assumed, so trust me on this.
If everyone did this, the plane would empty much faster. It's people who try to do something different than everyone else, and different than what's expected that slow the process down for everyone, including themselves. Your swimming backwards slows you and everyone else down.
If you are really in a rush, ask people to send your bag forward, saying please, but don't think because you want and you think you are entitled that you can rub yourself all over everyone to get your bag. It won't be me, though, as I stay seated to avoid those who think they are entitled to swim backwards. Hmm, and I've never missed a tight connection because of this. How could that be?
Mar 25, 2014, 1:29 pm
#3205
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Yes, because you're the only one on the plane with a connection...
It's not 5-10 minutes. It's at most a minute, while F clears. Someone farther back is going to have to pull down a suitcase, giving you the opportunity to move back and get yours. I do this all the time, and it sounds like you have just assumed, so trust me on this.
If everyone did this, the plane would empty much faster. It's people who try to do something different than everyone else, and different than what's expected that slow the process down for everyone, including themselves. Your swimming backwards slows you and everyone else down.
If you are really in a rush, ask people to send your bag forward, saying please, but don't think because you want and you think you are entitled that you can rub yourself all over everyone to get your bag. It won't be me, though, as I stay seated to avoid those who think they are entitled to swim backwards. Hmm, and I've never missed a tight connection because of this. How could that be?
It's not 5-10 minutes. It's at most a minute, while F clears. Someone farther back is going to have to pull down a suitcase, giving you the opportunity to move back and get yours. I do this all the time, and it sounds like you have just assumed, so trust me on this.
If everyone did this, the plane would empty much faster. It's people who try to do something different than everyone else, and different than what's expected that slow the process down for everyone, including themselves. Your swimming backwards slows you and everyone else down.
If you are really in a rush, ask people to send your bag forward, saying please, but don't think because you want and you think you are entitled that you can rub yourself all over everyone to get your bag. It won't be me, though, as I stay seated to avoid those who think they are entitled to swim backwards. Hmm, and I've never missed a tight connection because of this. How could that be?
Mar 25, 2014, 1:31 pm
#3206
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I remember back before Zone boarding, when boarding was done just by rows from the back working forward, it was common to hear "Now boarding rows 30 through 40 and Row 10" (or whatever the bulkhead row was) so that the bulkhead passengers would be assured bin space.
Mar 25, 2014, 1:39 pm
#3207
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It's not 5-10 minutes. It's at most a minute, while F clears. Someone farther back is going to have to pull down a suitcase, giving you the opportunity to move back and get yours. I do this all the time, and it sounds like you have just assumed, so trust me on this.
If everyone did this, the plane would empty much faster. It's people who try to do something different than everyone else, and different than what's expected that slow the process down for everyone, including themselves. Your swimming backwards slows you and everyone else down.
If you are really in a rush, ask people to send your bag forward, saying please, but don't think because you want and you think you are entitled that you can rub yourself all over everyone to get your bag. It won't be me, though, as I stay seated to avoid those who think they are entitled to swim backwards. Hmm, and I've never missed a tight connection because of this. How could that be?
If everyone did this, the plane would empty much faster. It's people who try to do something different than everyone else, and different than what's expected that slow the process down for everyone, including themselves. Your swimming backwards slows you and everyone else down.
If you are really in a rush, ask people to send your bag forward, saying please, but don't think because you want and you think you are entitled that you can rub yourself all over everyone to get your bag. It won't be me, though, as I stay seated to avoid those who think they are entitled to swim backwards. Hmm, and I've never missed a tight connection because of this. How could that be?
It really does take 5-10 minutes before there's a long enough gap (in both time and space) for me to head back and get my bag.
If the airline wanted the plane to empty much faster, it could easily arrange that (e.g. tell people that those in the aisle have priority, don't stop to let others in ahead of you). It doesn't.
Me swimming backwards doesn't slow me down. At worst, I break even (when the gap you claim appears in one minute). All the (few) times it has happened, I get my bag before such a gap appears.
I don't know why you never miss a tight connection. Maybe you don't have many. I know that I've caught them by seconds after running across an airport (once, 60+ gates at DTW, getting there just in time to have the GA who was already on the phone say "put his bags back, he made it").
Mar 25, 2014, 3:45 pm
#3208
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He's lucky he didn't pull that crap with me. I wouldn't put up with it; if necessary, I'd wait until he sat down then remove his bag and put mine back, then ask the FA to check his.
When I'm in EC bulkhead, the FA has always been willing to put my bag overhead in F/J if necessary. But I ask politely if there's space for it.
When I'm in EC bulkhead, the FA has always been willing to put my bag overhead in F/J if necessary. But I ask politely if there's space for it.
I personally don't move other people's bags unless it's just nudging it a couple inches to side to side, but I wouldn't have hesitated to ring the FA button to have him/her address the situation.
I would love it if I had not actually observed this.
I thought all bulkheads were premium seats on Delta. Wouldn't they automatically be in the SKy Zone if they got the seat due to status or if they paid for it an EC seat, I thought they received priority boarding.
I thought the last time I had a bulkhead it had PREM on it when I flew LAS/DTW. I agree though people in bulkheads should be allowed to board with SKY if they are non-status since nothing can go in the seat in front of them.
I thought the last time I had a bulkhead it had PREM on it when I flew LAS/DTW. I agree though people in bulkheads should be allowed to board with SKY if they are non-status since nothing can go in the seat in front of them.
Unfortunately when it comes to OH bin space on DL, Zone 1 boarding is pretty useless.
Mar 25, 2014, 6:31 pm
#3209
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I wonder what the effect would have been of taking out your phone and video recording it.
For the back bulkhead (e.g. row 36 on a TATL 757-200) it's not too bad. There's a lot of legroom there, too.
Unfortunately when it comes to OH bin space on DL, Zone 1 boarding is pretty useless.
Mar 26, 2014, 7:44 am
#3210
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On a flight just this week, a guy boarded late on my flight. When he reached his row, he immediately grabbed a rollaboard out of the bin, held it in the air, and demanded "whose is this?" When the pax one row back said it was his, Bin Badger set it on the ground and said "find somewhere else for it."
He then immediately grabbed a backpack and again demanded someone identify it as theirs. Lady across did and he shoved it at her and told her to put it under her seat. As she was mentioning that it was her main bag and she had her purse under her seat already, the Bin Badger slid a second full size rollaboard into its place. He immediately move on to removing a THIRD bag from the bin to repeat the cycle.
At this point the FA had arrived and several pax in the area were starting to give each other "..." looks. To her credit, FA immediately recognized that this jerk was going to be a problem and focused instead on making sure he wasn't being too rough with the other bags, trying to get them near their owners (all within 2-3 rows anyway) and generally keeping a bad situation from getting worse.
The whole scene was unreal. Felt particularly bad when backpack lady asked him to be careful with her bag as he was forcefully shoving it upside down into the edge of a bin he had just filled with his third suitcase. Apparently she had some fragile items in the top of her bag that he had just crushed.
Ignoring the the rollaboards, this guy was in EC bulkhead and I know I've been n situations where I had to ask those around me if they wouldn't mind making room for my briefcase, but I always thought the correct way to handle this was to ask, then ask again if I could touch/move their bag, then to treat others' belongings as if it were my mother-in-law's heirloom crystal.
Never ceases to amaze me how some people think that they are somehow more important than anyone else around them. I don't even demand respect, just a little basic consideration and common courtesy...
He then immediately grabbed a backpack and again demanded someone identify it as theirs. Lady across did and he shoved it at her and told her to put it under her seat. As she was mentioning that it was her main bag and she had her purse under her seat already, the Bin Badger slid a second full size rollaboard into its place. He immediately move on to removing a THIRD bag from the bin to repeat the cycle.
At this point the FA had arrived and several pax in the area were starting to give each other "..." looks. To her credit, FA immediately recognized that this jerk was going to be a problem and focused instead on making sure he wasn't being too rough with the other bags, trying to get them near their owners (all within 2-3 rows anyway) and generally keeping a bad situation from getting worse.
The whole scene was unreal. Felt particularly bad when backpack lady asked him to be careful with her bag as he was forcefully shoving it upside down into the edge of a bin he had just filled with his third suitcase. Apparently she had some fragile items in the top of her bag that he had just crushed.
Ignoring the the rollaboards, this guy was in EC bulkhead and I know I've been n situations where I had to ask those around me if they wouldn't mind making room for my briefcase, but I always thought the correct way to handle this was to ask, then ask again if I could touch/move their bag, then to treat others' belongings as if it were my mother-in-law's heirloom crystal.
Never ceases to amaze me how some people think that they are somehow more important than anyone else around them. I don't even demand respect, just a little basic consideration and common courtesy...