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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
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Mar 23, 2020, 6:40 pm
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I saw a report that some Shia fanatics protested the closing of some shrines and even broke into some courtyards of shrines which had been closed off.
Mar 23, 2020, 7:52 pm
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The coronavirus can survive on surfaces for up to 17 days, a study published Monday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-...gers-left.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-...gers-left.html
Mar 23, 2020, 7:53 pm
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Little testing in the west, complete disregard for social distancing. The idiots partying in Miami, or at the UK pubs or in Vancouver Canada speak volumes. The refusal of canadian snowbirds to self isolate explains alot.
Canada is now rationing drugs, limiting renewals pf prescriptions to 30 days in some provinces because of supply concerns.
USA refused to allow Dupont to export Tyvek to Canada for PPE use, despite their being a supply contract.
France seizing masks destined for the UK despite a guaranteed supply order.
Mar 23, 2020, 8:00 pm
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Hype or not.....
New York State is about to begin testing drugs for treatment of coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo said Sunday.
The feds have given the state 70,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine, 10,000 doses of zithromax and 750,000 doses of chloroquine. Testing will kick off Tuesday, Cuomo said.
“The president is optimistic about these drugs and we are all optimistic that it could work,” the governor said at a press conference. “I’ve spoken with a number of health officials and there is a good basis to believe that they could work.”
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavi...lly-story.html
New York State is about to begin testing drugs for treatment of coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo said Sunday.
The feds have given the state 70,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine, 10,000 doses of zithromax and 750,000 doses of chloroquine. Testing will kick off Tuesday, Cuomo said.
“The president is optimistic about these drugs and we are all optimistic that it could work,” the governor said at a press conference. “I’ve spoken with a number of health officials and there is a good basis to believe that they could work.”
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavi...lly-story.html
Mar 23, 2020, 8:09 pm
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Good. Let's fine out, one way or the other. In my view, "maybe" is one of the most powerful words in the English language.
Mar 23, 2020, 8:14 pm
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Hype or not.....
New York State is about to begin testing drugs for treatment of coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo said Sunday.
The feds have given the state 70,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine, 10,000 doses of zithromax and 750,000 doses of chloroquine. Testing will kick off Tuesday, Cuomo said.
New York State is about to begin testing drugs for treatment of coronavirus, Gov. Cuomo said Sunday.
The feds have given the state 70,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine, 10,000 doses of zithromax and 750,000 doses of chloroquine. Testing will kick off Tuesday, Cuomo said.
https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-eve...trial-launches
Mar 23, 2020, 8:21 pm
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University of Minnesota started a trial last week look at post-exposure prophylaxis with Hydroxychloroquine. There's more going on then the news is getting. Even Trump/Cuomo have been a few days behind when they cover these topics.
https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-eve...trial-launches
https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-eve...trial-launches
Anyways, I heard someone say that even if these drugs show promise it could still take over a year to do real testing to be sure.
Mar 23, 2020, 8:23 pm
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The coronavirus can survive on surfaces for up to 17 days, a study published Monday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-...gers-left.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-...gers-left.html
The title of the article is "Public Health Responses to COVID-19 Outbreaks on Cruise Ships — Worldwide, February–March 2020"
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...cid=mm6912e3_w
The word "survive" as in viral survival was not used anywhere in the article.
The word "live" as in live virus was not used anywhere in the article.
All they found was the RNA from the virus showing it was present in the rooms of people whether they were infected or not.
It shows how things spread on a cruise ship. Like looking for bullets in the soil of an old Civil War battlefield site.
And wash your hands. It cannot infect you through your skin.
Mar 23, 2020, 8:28 pm
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Normal masks only help very minimally in preventing virus particles from entering your body, but they do help if you are infected and shedding virus particles, since they impede the free flow of particles away from you into the air. That's enough reason to wear them, because no one knows instantly that they've been infected If they're not N-95 or better masks, they have little effect on medical shortages, so no reason not to wear them except for discomfort.
Mar 23, 2020, 8:31 pm
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Mar 23, 2020, 8:33 pm
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2. 6 month. if After that you need to stay in quarantine for 14 after arrival at destination. See China.
3. 18 months, after vaccine or treatment is developed.
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Mar 23, 2020, 8:33 pm
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I’m certainly no expert by any means but they didn’t say maybe to trying chemotherapy which says to me there must be some deeper reason these particular ones are bing tried.
Mar 23, 2020, 8:34 pm
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Lord knows, I ain't no scientist. But, if these are FDA approved and *if* these NY trials were to show a high enough efficacy in a large sample size, what's the downside to offering an infected patient the option to take the medication? We just need to bridge the hospital bottleneck gap, and fire up our economy here.
Mar 23, 2020, 8:36 pm
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However, the three day critical care average "stay" would seem to be somewhat good news, in that most of the simulations about the lack of ICU/CCU beds and resulting breakdown of the medical systems were based on much longer use of these resources by the average patient.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...pital-11960597
If you have flown an LCC flight into "Milan", then the Bergamo airport is where you landed. I have flown through there a number of times and overnighted there a couple of times. Its medieval old town, high on a hill is atmospheric.