Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
Discussion of general economic impacts of Covid-19 belongs in the OMNI forum, not here.
Discussion and critique of political/government actions to aid the economy or which is far more political than related to COVID-19 is for the OMNI/PR forum, not here.
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 23, 2020, 12:56 pm
#1441
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BoJo to address the nation at 20:30. Lockdown coming for sure.
Mar 23, 2020, 1:00 pm
#1442
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This just pulled from fda.gov under the heading "N95 Respirators and Surgical Masks (Face Masks)" today March 23, 2020 (bolding mine):
For the general American public, there is no added health benefit to wear a respiratory protective device (such as an N95 respirator), and the immediate health risk from COVID-19 is considered low."
All of that is pretty sad and quite appalling!
For the general American public, there is no added health benefit to wear a respiratory protective device (such as an N95 respirator), and the immediate health risk from COVID-19 is considered low."
All of that is pretty sad and quite appalling!
Seat belts are a bad idea. People are still going to die in car crashes.
Masks don't 100% guarantee you won't get infected or infect someone else...so don'twear them.
Mar 23, 2020, 1:03 pm
#1443
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-52007104
Mar 23, 2020, 1:04 pm
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/
There are more fashionable options that motorcycle riders use.
N95's they are not, but any reduction of droplets being inhaled is better than no reduction.
Baby wipes are available. they are not virucidal but the "solution to pollution is dilution", so they help a little.
Virus cannot enter through your hands so wash your hands and phone before touching your face.
Mar 23, 2020, 1:11 pm
#1445
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Nirvana Fallacy
Seat belts are a bad idea. People are still going to die in car crashes.
Masks don't 100% guarantee you won't get infected or infect someone else...so don'twear them.
Seat belts are a bad idea. People are still going to die in car crashes.
Masks don't 100% guarantee you won't get infected or infect someone else...so don'twear them.
Mar 23, 2020, 1:54 pm
#1446
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States which cater to cruise travel should be the ones bear the brunt of issues caused by cruise travel, including quarantine issues relating to ships that either originate or end in the ports in these states. Why should the states benefitting from cruise travel not be responsible for this?
Mar 23, 2020, 2:09 pm
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https://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/2007/r070503.htm
In the same period, the FDA approved masks from 3M and others for use by the general public in a pandemic flu or other public health emergency.
http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/5...ember-2008.pdf
Mar 23, 2020, 2:10 pm
#1448
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BACK OFF!
Face Masks Signal Loud and Clear: Don’t Come Near Me
"Wearing a mask could serve as a relatively costly signal that someone is serious about social distancing. It’s costly because it looks unattractive and causes other people to treat you with suspicion. Thus, it could be a forceful, effective message to others to stay away when otherwise they might not respect your boundaries.'The U.S. could benefit from this approach, especially now. In the U.S., where wearing masks isn't common or widely accepted, the signal could be even more powerful. Americans are unused to the idea of social distancing and many aren’t yet taking it seriously. "https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-19/social-distancing-greatly-slows-spread-of-coronavirus
Mar 23, 2020, 2:14 pm
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Coughing and Sneezing explained here:
https://www.livescience.com/3686-gro...gh-sneeze.html
It is a much more disruptive and moist process than breathing or talking.
https://www.livescience.com/3686-gro...gh-sneeze.html
It is a much more disruptive and moist process than breathing or talking.
Mar 23, 2020, 2:21 pm
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PPE use in the US is just not accepted as it is in some other countries. Not sure how to change [almost] a whole country's mind in a few weeks. But I agree, MUCH too little is done.
The main problem is likely that there's just not enough to go around, so the "N95 masks are not recommended" mantra is SOP.
Govt officials can't wear them to lead-by-example because everyone would complain with: "Where is MY mask?".
(Just dropped off a couple of P100 masks at the local post office for its staff, because they had nothing other than gloves.
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The main problem is likely that there's just not enough to go around, so the "N95 masks are not recommended" mantra is SOP.
Govt officials can't wear them to lead-by-example because everyone would complain with: "Where is MY mask?".
(Just dropped off a couple of P100 masks at the local post office for its staff, because they had nothing other than gloves.
)
Mar 23, 2020, 2:22 pm
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2. 6-12 months
3. Never. There will be a new normal in significant ways. I don’t know what it will be.
Mar 23, 2020, 2:33 pm
#1452
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Since the malaria drug seems to help combat the corona virus, I wonder if taking malaria prevention pills prevents one from contracting the corona virus?
Mar 23, 2020, 2:40 pm
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UK now under lockdown. Vast majority of shops closed. Population confined to residence, apart from shopping for essential supplies, travel to work where home working is impossible and one form of exercise per day (walk, run, bike ride).
Mar 23, 2020, 3:04 pm
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Nirvana Fallacy
Seat belts are a bad idea. People are still going to die in car crashes.
Masks don't 100% guarantee you won't get infected or infect someone else...so don'twear them.
Seat belts are a bad idea. People are still going to die in car crashes.
Masks don't 100% guarantee you won't get infected or infect someone else...so don'twear them.
Hmm, which countries have successfully flattened the curve and which ones are still exponentially doubling ?
Mar 23, 2020, 3:06 pm
#1455
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Nirvana Fallacy
Seat belts are a bad idea. People are still going to die in car crashes.
Masks don't 100% guarantee you won't get infected or infect someone else...so don'twear them.
Seat belts are a bad idea. People are still going to die in car crashes.
Masks don't 100% guarantee you won't get infected or infect someone else...so don'twear them.