Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
Last edit by: Ocn Vw 1K
In order to reduce noise in the Coronavirus / Covid-19 : general fact-based reporting thread, and to create a central place to invite any member to ask a basic question about the impact of COVID-19 on travel, your moderators have decided to open this separate "lounge" thread for related discussion that isn't strictly fact-based reporting.
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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
Discussion of general economic impacts of Covid-19 belongs in the OMNI forum, not here.
Discussion and critique of political/government actions to aid the economy or which is far more political than related to COVID-19 is for the OMNI/PR forum, not here.
This is a protocol for posting adopted by the forum Moderator team:Please follow this protocol, based on FlyerTalk Rules and long-standing FlyerTalk best practices. Doing so will help keep the thread open, and allow our moderator team to aid members, rather than having to resort to discipline.
•Constructive, respectful posts, views, opinions, questions, and replies, related to the topic are welcome. Avoid commenting on members personally, or posting off-topic or political messages.
•While respectful disagreement of a posted view is allowed, don’t call-out posters to prove their points. FlyerTalk has never required discussion standards at the level of a Ph.D. dissertation defense, or a trial court witness cross-examination.
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 15, 2020, 1:06 pm
#571
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 676
Not sure about Australia but in HK, you would be arrested. The point of isolation is to prevent you from infecting others during the incubation period. What is the point of isolation if they let you travel back?
Mar 15, 2020, 1:07 pm
#572
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Pacific Northwest
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What is the small business owner to do? I have 6 employees counting me. I am in the wholesale distribution business. I sell air filters which are actually kind of important during this crisis. If I close down for a month, I won't be paying my employees. I won't have any sales. I will be out of business. And my customers who need to change their air filters in their buildings won't be able to. Some of us are not in a position to work from home or just take a month off. There would be no financial help from the feds for a tiny business like mine, only big companies get help during times like this.
Companies like yours and employees like yours are what I am worried about. The Walmarts and the Amazons will get through this. Best of luck.
Mar 15, 2020, 1:08 pm
#573
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,807
If this was HK, answer is an unequivocal yes https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/...0020700775.htm
NZ seems implied yes, any better answers https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/...self-isolation ?
Mar 15, 2020, 1:11 pm
#574
Join Date: Mar 2020
Programs: British Airways Executive Club
Posts: 33
Thanks for the feedback, seems it may be more trouble than it's worth and to be sure I guess I will extend the trip by another week
Mar 15, 2020, 1:37 pm
#575
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Hilton, Hyatt House, Del Taco
Posts: 5,381
Singapore here. Gyms are still operating because we are in much better situation compared to US/EU. However, there are the following requirements:
- at every gym entrance and inside there is a hand sanitizer and you must use it before entering the facility
- staff must disinfect/clean the facility/surfaces before opening and after closing
- there is a limit how many people can be inside at any time
- everyone coming in must fill the paper/electronic application form with contact details, recent travel history and take temp measurements.
- at every gym entrance and inside there is a hand sanitizer and you must use it before entering the facility
- staff must disinfect/clean the facility/surfaces before opening and after closing
- there is a limit how many people can be inside at any time
- everyone coming in must fill the paper/electronic application form with contact details, recent travel history and take temp measurements.
Limiting the number of guests is an interesting idea, potentially quite beneficial. It'd be frustrating if you can't get in, wonderful if you're in.
Mar 15, 2020, 1:39 pm
#576
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For regular gym-goers who live in highly affected areas such as NYC, Seattle, London, Singapore... are you still going or staying away from the gym?
Gym is a worrisome environment and I think ideally we stay away.
My gym is sending out notices telling people to do this and that to keep things hygienic and informing us that they're going the extra mile to keep the facility safe.
But I wonder if there's really been much change compared to usual.
I hear people (men) clearing throats and blowing nose in the shower. Most people aren't wiping down equipments after use.
While the roads have cleared up due to a lot less commuters, my gym remains just as busy.
But I'm still going because otherwise it's hard to stay active and fit esp when it's 5C temp outside.
Gym is a worrisome environment and I think ideally we stay away.
My gym is sending out notices telling people to do this and that to keep things hygienic and informing us that they're going the extra mile to keep the facility safe.
But I wonder if there's really been much change compared to usual.
I hear people (men) clearing throats and blowing nose in the shower. Most people aren't wiping down equipments after use.
While the roads have cleared up due to a lot less commuters, my gym remains just as busy.
But I'm still going because otherwise it's hard to stay active and fit esp when it's 5C temp outside.
turns out I was ahead of the curve--got an email today that the studio is closing for an undetermined period of time while they figure out what to do. I suspect other gyms/yoga studios/etc will be following suit.
Mar 15, 2020, 2:01 pm
#577
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: SW London UK 🇬🇧
Programs: BA Gold * Alliance Gold IHG Platinum
Posts: 37
Hey guys and girls, not sure this is the right place but hey, I have just flown back from TIA to LGW with BA but as Albania decided to do lockdown weekend, I spent the weekend in my hotel doing not a lot, you can only walk so far. Anyhow after jumping through hoops to get back to The airport, ALL eateries were closed this includes the business lounge. So as I paid full fair for a business class seat including lounge access do you think I am Entitled to any kind of refund as the full package was not offered. I get it’s not BA fault but should I have to pay for this privilege and not receive it. To be fair no traveller no Mather what class you were was offered any form of refreshments, and the check in desk staff were not the best helpful to be honest. Thanks for positive responses😀😀😀
Mar 15, 2020, 2:17 pm
#578
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Join Date: Feb 1999
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Can I ask what is wrong with takeout, given that people have microwaves and toaster ovens at home? What would it take to kill a virus on my food? 5 second in the microwave?
Mar 15, 2020, 2:25 pm
#579
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,477
It typically takes years, but all viruses eventually evolve to be less lethal to the host. The strains that do less harm to the host get to live in it, multiply, and spread longer than those strains that kill the host quickly and thus don't get to spread as much. Ebola is very slow to evolve in humans, b/c it can even be spread by a dead host. But even Ebola has become harmless to many other hosts (chimps, etc).
Mar 15, 2020, 2:27 pm
#580
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Personally, I used UberEats two nights ago. Ask me in five days how I am doing. But it’s all relative. The food I bought in the grocery store three weeks ago, home-cooked, exposes me to less risk than the UberEats delivery. But both are probably safer than going to a packed restaurant for a leisurely dinner tonight.
Mar 15, 2020, 2:29 pm
#581
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Mar 15, 2020, 2:31 pm
#582
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I wouldn't be sure the Jacuzzi is hot enough to kill the virus... It's barely hotter than body temperature. Arguably the dirties part of the gym... I would definitely avoid it and just work out at home if possible.
Mar 15, 2020, 2:33 pm
#583
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: En Route
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Posts: 6,798
For regular gym-goers who live in highly affected areas such as NYC, Seattle, London, Singapore... are you still going or staying away from the gym?
Gym is a worrisome environment and I think ideally we stay away.
My gym is sending out notices telling people to do this and that to keep things hygienic and informing us that they're going the extra mile to keep the facility safe.
But I wonder if there's really been much change compared to usual.
I hear people (men) clearing throats and blowing nose in the shower. Most people aren't wiping down equipments after use.
While the roads have cleared up due to a lot less commuters, my gym remains just as busy.
But I'm still going because otherwise it's hard to stay active and fit esp when it's 5C temp outside.
Gym is a worrisome environment and I think ideally we stay away.
My gym is sending out notices telling people to do this and that to keep things hygienic and informing us that they're going the extra mile to keep the facility safe.
But I wonder if there's really been much change compared to usual.
I hear people (men) clearing throats and blowing nose in the shower. Most people aren't wiping down equipments after use.
While the roads have cleared up due to a lot less commuters, my gym remains just as busy.
But I'm still going because otherwise it's hard to stay active and fit esp when it's 5C temp outside.
Mar 15, 2020, 2:36 pm
#584
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,807
For regular gym-goers who live in highly affected areas such as NYC, Seattle, London, Singapore... are you still going or staying away from the gym?
Gym is a worrisome environment and I think ideally we stay away.
My gym is sending out notices telling people to do this and that to keep things hygienic and informing us that they're going the extra mile to keep the facility safe.
But I wonder if there's really been much change compared to usual.
I hear people (men) clearing throats and blowing nose in the shower. Most people aren't wiping down equipments after use.
While the roads have cleared up due to a lot less commuters, my gym remains just as busy.
But I'm still going because otherwise it's hard to stay active and fit esp when it's 5C temp outside.
Gym is a worrisome environment and I think ideally we stay away.
My gym is sending out notices telling people to do this and that to keep things hygienic and informing us that they're going the extra mile to keep the facility safe.
But I wonder if there's really been much change compared to usual.
I hear people (men) clearing throats and blowing nose in the shower. Most people aren't wiping down equipments after use.
While the roads have cleared up due to a lot less commuters, my gym remains just as busy.
But I'm still going because otherwise it's hard to stay active and fit esp when it's 5C temp outside.
Mar 15, 2020, 2:37 pm
#585
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 1999
Location: Seat 1A, Juice pretty much everywhere, Mucci des Coins Exotiques
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The jacuzzi is heavily chlorinated. I'm not sure if Chlorine has any effect on this virus, but it does on other nasty things. And the sauna is plenty hot. I would think that 50c would kill any virus, no?