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Steph3n Dec 16, 2009 10:06 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 12998350)
Didn't you just contradict yourself there? You say they "DO NOT" save or make jobs and then you say their policies influence "business (sic) willingness to invest and hire".

:confused:

President does not make law, Congress makes law. Congress is the driver seat here, not the president. To some extent the president has a bully pulpit, but if there is over a long period no progress in congress it is a negative driver to business, not a positive. Even more of a negative driver is if the bully pulpit is being used for something seen as harmful to business.

Phudnik Dec 16, 2009 10:06 am


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 12998308)
That is what grates me so much about Obama (or ANY president for that matter) and saying they will 'save jobs' 'make jobs' etc, they DO NOT however their policy can influence business willingness to invest and hire. I won't say anymore right here other than: there is a lot of uncertainty and businesses don't like that.

Politicians like to be elected and re-elected, and "saving" or "making jobs" is a convenient and popular shorthand that really means what you describe above but sounds better to voters. I think that the government's fiscal and regulatory priorities can go a long way to affect the job market (just look at job creation in the 90s vs. this decade).

This is the last I will :rolleyes: on this subject, I promise.

sdm1130 Dec 16, 2009 10:07 am


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 12998355)
President does not make law, Congress makes law. Congress is the driver seat here, not the president.

Thanks, I didn't know that. :rolleyes:

But, what does that have to do, at all, with your previous post?

Trustguy Dec 16, 2009 10:08 am

Milestone alert! (shameless)

Trustguy Dec 16, 2009 10:08 am

Oh well... :mad:

Steph3n Dec 16, 2009 10:09 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 12998366)
Thanks, I didn't know that. :rolleyes:

But, what does that have to do, at all, with your previous post?

The president doesnt make or save jobs? He doesn't.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 16, 2009 10:10 am


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12998337)
metric butt-tons

***

:-:

Thank you for providing me a new favorite phrase.

sdm1130 Dec 16, 2009 10:10 am


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 12998375)
The president doesnt make or save jobs? He doesn't.

I never said anything about that. You're clearly missing the point that you contradicted yourself in that post. Nevermind.

GTITAN Dec 16, 2009 10:11 am


Originally Posted by Trustguy (Post 12998369)
Oh well... :mad:

Congrats Sir!!^

Steph3n Dec 16, 2009 10:11 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 12998387)
Ok, you're clearly missing the point that you contradicted yourself in that post. Nevermind.

I did not contradict myself, the president can do a lot to prevent job growth but not much of anything to help it. congress can help it, if they so chose.

and no I do not pin all job losses on Obama by any means, Bush was just as much or more of a factor in the lack of confidence from the top.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 16, 2009 10:12 am


Originally Posted by Trustguy (Post 12998369)
Oh well... :mad:

125K ^

rolov Dec 16, 2009 10:13 am


Originally Posted by Trustguy (Post 12998369)
Oh well... :mad:

Congrats, your post got caught up in the political debates :-:

Phudnik Dec 16, 2009 10:14 am


Originally Posted by Trustguy (Post 12998369)
Oh well... :mad:


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12998404)
125K ^

:-:^

And here I was :rolleyes:ing on about stuff that raises my blood pressure and not even paying attention. At least 124,997 is better than the 123,999 I got last time.

Steph3n Dec 16, 2009 10:15 am


Originally Posted by Phudnik (Post 12998421)
:-:^

And here I was :rolleyes:ing on about stuff that raises my blood pressure and not even paying attention.

Hey now, I did not mean to do that, let us move on to talking about ponies, pink ponies, burnt orange ponies, and crimson unicorns.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Dec 16, 2009 10:15 am


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 12998395)
I did not contradict myself, the president can do a lot to prevent job growth but not much of anything to help it. congress can help it, if they so chose.

He can exert a lot of influence over Congress and its legislation, if he so chooses. He controls the keys to DNC funding, $ and support in primaries and general elections.


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