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FT Lurker Nov 17, 2009 9:44 am


Originally Posted by gbryan84 (Post 12833902)
Looks like UA is going to continue to issue the CR1's. Whats next for CO? Keep things as they are or up Plat to 100k and give SWU and CR1's? BTW, how many CR1's do UA 1k's get?

2 CR1 per 10K BIS (UA metal) per quarter (max 2 per quarter)

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Nov 17, 2009 9:45 am

40K BD miles have posted from my missing MSP-GEG flights, and I just booked PER-BKK-LAX for 60K in C. :D

sdm1130 Nov 17, 2009 9:47 am


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 12833903)
The best way to implement this is for CO to actually admit that their Y product is horrific and create an E+ section. Several airlines have proven that this model has a positive ROI. Not sure why more (in the US) haven't jumped on the bandwagon.

I'm not convinced E+ works domestically (especially in the current economy). UA doesn't seem to be able to turn a strong profit with E+ and AA obviously wasn't able to either. Does anyone know if B6 and VX bring in much revenue from their E+ offerings?

sdm1130 Nov 17, 2009 9:49 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 12833940)
CO needs to spend some time working on their interactive route map... It makes no sense.

I believe it is contracted out, but I agree that it's not very intuitive.


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12833948)
40K BD miles have posted from my missing MSP-GEG flights, and I just booked PER-BKK-LAX for 60K in C. :D

The missing miles from my US segments posted. ^

fozz Nov 17, 2009 9:50 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 12833872)
Someone in the other thread suggested that UA elites get access to the exit rows and CO elites get access to E+ at check in. Would you be in favor of that as a compromise?

This brings up an interesting question - do UA and CO really gain anything from setting up reciprocal upgrades?

I'm not so worried about the UA end of the equation but the CO end.

On a 738, there are 18 "premium" seats. (Combination of Exit row and bulk-head).

I'm seeing it harder and harder to get Exit Rows and Bulkheads as it is. UA has a lot of folks in the NYC area, these people will likely start jumping on CO flights in lieu of connections. In IAH it's not such a big issue, but here and in CLE is where it will hurt the most.

Honestly, the exit rows should be limited to CO Plats and possibly Gold (though I'm still on the fence about that). At check-in, the exit rows and bulkheads should become available to CO Plat, CO Gold, UA GS and UA 1K. They should not let it be the free for all it is today at T-24.

Tinkerer Nov 17, 2009 9:50 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 12831016)
Thank you, gentlemen. :)
Echoed my thought. I bought my fiancee a Canon PowerShot SD750. Great camera for low light and nonmoving objects. Only true knock against it is the crap battery life. It's what I was using for the MegaDo. If you do buy it, buy at least two extra aftermarket batteries that have the higher capacity.

Lucky fiancee -- my camera was also a gift from my SO.

Yes on getting extra batteries! I find mine has a good life, but since my camera doesn't have a battery meter you can easily get surprised when the low battery warning comes on because you don't get much leeway.

MBM3 Nov 17, 2009 9:57 am


Originally Posted by fozz (Post 12833992)
I'm not so worried about the UA end of the equation but the CO end.

On a 738, there are 18 "premium" seats. (Combination of Exit row and bulk-head).

I'm seeing it harder and harder to get Exit Rows and Bulkheads as it is. UA has a lot of folks in the NYC area, these people will likely start jumping on CO flights in lieu of connections. In IAH it's not such a big issue, but here and in CLE is where it will hurt the most.

Honestly, I do not think it will affect us all that much here in Cleveland. EWR is more of an issue as all of the finance folks who used to fly paid F are now toiling in back.

My wife, who is Gold, and I rarely have an issue snagging exit rows at time of purchase.

Hartmann Nov 17, 2009 9:58 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 12833968)
I'm not convinced E+ works domestically (especially in the current economy). UA doesn't seem to be able to turn a strong profit with E+ and AA obviously wasn't able to either. Does anyone know if B6 and VX bring in much revenue from their E+ offerings?

To be fair, AA's wasn't really E+, it was just more legroom throughout the cabin to try and compete with the LCCs. And it didn't work because they still couldn't match the fares that the LCCs were posting.

Hartmann Nov 17, 2009 10:00 am


Originally Posted by MBM3 (Post 12834028)
Honestly, I do not think it will affect us all that much here in Cleveland. EWR is more of an issue as all of the finance folks who used to fly paid F are now toiling in back.

My wife, who is Gold, and I rarely have an issue snagging exit rows at time of purchase.

Yeah, I don't see any exit row issues out of IAH (so far at least). In some cases, the exit rows are the only seats open.

rolov Nov 17, 2009 10:01 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 12833968)
I'm not convinced E+ works domestically (especially in the current economy). UA doesn't seem to be able to turn a strong profit with E+ and AA obviously wasn't able to either. Does anyone know if B6 and VX bring in much revenue from their E+ offerings?

VX E+ are just bulkhead and emergency rows but they give out free drinks and movies.

Mackieman Nov 17, 2009 10:03 am


Originally Posted by sdm1130 (Post 12833968)
I'm not convinced E+ works domestically (especially in the current economy). UA doesn't seem to be able to turn a strong profit with E+ and AA obviously wasn't able to either. Does anyone know if B6 and VX bring in much revenue from their E+ offerings?

VX doesn't really have E+ so much as they sell exit row and Y bulkhead access at full Y fares before OLCI. B6 has made a lot of money on their EML seating as evidenced by some reporting from sbm12 last year.

belynch Nov 17, 2009 10:03 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 12834032)
To be fare, AA's wasn't really E+, it was just more legroom throughout the cabin to try and compete with the LCCs.

Right.

It works when you can get people to pay for it, or drive loyalty amongst your business travelers who will pay a premium.

UA made a terrible mis-step when they boxed out :-: elites from getting into E+. When I was a US1 my first choice airline immediately shifted back to US when I was booking close in (read: expensive fares) and my options went from guaranteed E+ v. chance of upgrade to back of the bus on both, with a chance of an upgrade on one.

It also works when you consider planes aren't flying out 100% occupied and every open seat is weight. And weight is fuel. And fuel is the highest cost component of operating an airline.

Mackieman Nov 17, 2009 10:04 am

In other news, I'm loving the cool dry weather but it has thrown my sinuses for a loop. If they had Dayquil available via IV I would be first in line.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Nov 17, 2009 10:05 am

Just discovered that PER-BKK is actually a one-stop PER-HKT-BKK. :-:

fozz Nov 17, 2009 10:07 am


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 12833919)
Allow me to channel HeathrowGuy for a minute.

Both programs are going to create a 4th tier. A 75k at UA and a 100k at CO.

I doubt it. I see CO Plat going to 100k.

There just aren't any benefits they can add or take away for a 75k level. Besides, look at how pissed all the Silvers are.


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