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ConciergeMike Sep 17, 2009 6:40 pm


Originally Posted by xyzzy (Post 12397980)
Are you coming to the Oct 24 DO in NYC? It might be fun to have a game of this...

Negative. Besides, there's no way I could hold a roomful of FTers attention when such good food and adult beverages are involved.

I put out the invite for the trivia event that I'm doing all these questions for, but it's a Monday night...if people were so inclined to gather at someone's house who has sufficient space to do it, I would consider providing the questions for a Box Trivia Do. @:-)

Xyzzy Sep 17, 2009 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 12398091)
I put out the invite for the trivia event that I'm doing all these questions for, but it's a Monday night...if people were so inclined to gather at someone's house who has sufficient space to do it, I would consider providing the questions for a Box Trivia Do. @:-)

That can be arranged... ;)

ConciergeMike Sep 17, 2009 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by xyzzy (Post 12398096)
That can be arranged... ;)

The Do calendar already has several events on it for the balance of this year...why not try for something after PRG?

Category #2 for tonight: the format is usually this. If you don't get the lead question, all other answers do not count for score.

(No Googling...)

Famous Dates:

Lead: This happened only twice, on these dates: January 28, 1986 and Feb. 1, 2003. What is this?

1. July 20, 1969
2. April 14, 1865
3. Sep. 2, 1945
4. Feb. 3, 1959
5. April 12, 1861

xFF Sep 17, 2009 6:49 pm

Something that has always stayed with me regarding the RJR buyout was how KKR decided to go after it in the first place. I don't know if it's in the book or not, and is way too arcane for a movie.

KKR got in touch with an ex-Nabisco, pre-RJR guy in Jersey who told them that they were so profitable that the divisions were under directives to essentially waste as much as 500 MM a year. Otherwise, their earnings would have been too large, their P/E ratio would change, and the board had felt that they would have trouble keeping the stockholder base they had.

On the other side, the cost per pack of cigarettes was next to nothing, but everyone was keying on the then-coming tobacco liability and keeping the total price down. The bidders were essentially ignoring the Nabisco side, and it was where all the value was.

The moral: nothing is as profitable as brand-name food.

xFF Sep 17, 2009 6:50 pm

Darn it! While I was out of the room, the next round starts. I'm behind the curve on this one already...

gbryan84 Sep 17, 2009 6:51 pm

Ive been in and out today but have you guys discussed the US promotion? As mentioned yesterday I went from ~9 hour days to a solid 12 hour days so you gotta cut me some slack.

cheepneezy Sep 17, 2009 6:51 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 12398107)
Lead: This happened only twice, on these dates: January 28, 1986 and Feb. 1, 2003. What is this?

Space shuttles blew up.

Brituchenite Sep 17, 2009 6:52 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 12398107)
The Do calendar already has several events on it for the balance of this year...why not try for something after PRG?

Category #2 for tonight: the format is usually this. If you don't get the lead question, all other answers do not count for score.

(No Googling...)

Famous Dates:

Lead: This happened only twice, on these dates: January 28, 1986 and Feb. 1, 2003. What is this?

1. July 20, 1969
2. April 14, 1865
3. Sep. 2, 1945
4. Feb. 3, 1959
5. April 12, 1861


Lead question: was it the shuttle explosions?

others - haven't the fainest idea. Or maybe I do, but don't realize.

xFF Sep 17, 2009 6:52 pm

Probably too late, but those are the dates of fatal NASA accidents.

Hartmann Sep 17, 2009 6:54 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 12398107)
The Do calendar already has several events on it for the balance of this year...why not try for something after PRG?

Category #2 for tonight: the format is usually this. If you don't get the lead question, all other answers do not count for score.

(No Googling...)

Famous Dates:

Lead: This happened only twice, on these dates: January 28, 1986 and Feb. 1, 2003. What is this?

1. July 20, 1969
2. April 14, 1865
3. Sep. 2, 1945
4. Feb. 3, 1959
5. April 12, 1861

1. Man landed on the moon
3. Japan surrendered
4. Buddy Holly's plane crashed (going to school in Lubbock drilled that date into my mind)

gbryan84 Sep 17, 2009 6:55 pm


Originally Posted by Brituchenite (Post 12398087)
Anyway, off to PHX tomorrow to attend VJ's Mileage Run Seminar on Saturday. Meeting up with mnmag at the airport to add her as my PLAT companion in the hope of getting her an upgrade. Keep fingers crossed.

Good luck to the both of you. I wish I was going but alas it is the weekend of ZRH.

COpltASgldPHX Sep 17, 2009 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 12398107)
The Do calendar already has several events on it for the balance of this year...why not try for something after PRG?

Category #2 for tonight: the format is usually this. If you don't get the lead question, all other answers do not count for score.

(No Googling...)

Famous Dates:

Lead: This happened only twice, on these dates: January 28, 1986 and Feb. 1, 2003. What is this?

1. July 20, 1969
2. April 14, 1865
3. Sep. 2, 1945
4. Feb. 3, 1959
5. April 12, 1861

Lead: Loss of the Space Shuttles Challenger and Columbia.

1. First landing on the moon.
2. Lincoln assassinated
3. ???
4. Korean War ended?
5. Emancipation Proclamation signed

Xyzzy Sep 17, 2009 7:05 pm

3. V-J day
5. Civil war started

ConciergeMike Sep 17, 2009 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by xFF (Post 12398127)
Something that has always stayed with me regarding the RJR buyout was how KKR decided to go after it in the first place. I don't know if it's in the book or not, and is way too arcane for a movie.

KKR got in touch with an ex-Nabisco, pre-RJR guy in Jersey who told them that they were so profitable that the divisions were under directives to essentially waste as much as 500 MM a year. Otherwise, their earnings would have been too large, their P/E ratio would change, and the board had felt that they would have trouble keeping the stockholder base they had.

On the other side, the cost per pack of cigarettes was next to nothing, but everyone was keying on the then-coming tobacco liability and keeping the total price down. The bidders were essentially ignoring the Nabisco side, and it was where all the value was.

The moral: nothing is as profitable as brand-name food.

The man in question's name was John Greeniaus, and Roberts referred to him as the Deep Throat of the deal. Kravis at first did not believe that he was willing to help, but Greeniaus was disgusted with the spending that Ross Johnson was doing to hide the profits. It is covered extensively in the book and to some degree in the movie. It is a riveting business book.

Answers in a minute.

ConciergeMike Sep 17, 2009 7:07 pm


Originally Posted by conciergemike (Post 12398107)

famous dates:

Lead: This happened only twice, on these dates: January 28, 1986 and feb. 1, 2003. What is this?

1. July 20, 1969
2. April 14, 1865
3. Sep. 2, 1945
4. Feb. 3, 1959
5. April 12, 1861

famous dates:
Lead: Those are the dates of the losses of space shuttles challenger and columbia.
1. Neil armstrong walks on the moon
2. Abraham lincoln shot
3. Japanese surrender in world war ii
4. The day the music died – ritchie valens/the big bopper/buddy holly crash
5. First shots fired in the american civil war (fort sumter, sc)


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