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icurhere2 Aug 24, 2009 2:49 pm


Originally Posted by ssullivan (Post 12275714)
What's wrong with requiring people to do something basic that could save their life?

Me wearing a bullet-proof vest as a public servant could save my life - don't see the state requiring that yet ...

Steph3n Aug 24, 2009 2:49 pm


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 12275709)
Among adults capable of making the decision, I agree. People should have the freedom to be make stupid choices as long as they don't jeopardize my liberties or safety.

* Making them default organ donors - I don't see that as a constitutional issue.

they are dead :D

uncertaintraveler Aug 24, 2009 2:49 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12275197)
The heat index here is 99, and it feels like you are walking through soup when you step outside. :-:

I'm surprised that the heat index is that low.



Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12275226)
Wish I hadn't seen photog72's erroneous Pitcast from last week. It got my hopes up for an early Fall. :rolleyes:.com now shows 90s (with nothing below 70s at night) through the start of September. :-:

Yes, the whole "lower humidity this weekend" was nothing but a cruel hoax. I've given up watching the weather forecasts. Not worth the hassle.


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 12275277)
I don't know, I haven't really experienced that. When I go visit my family down in Brazoria County, it is always much, much worse down there than it is up here. Sure, we may hit 102 instead of 99, but the humidity has been much lower up here than it usually is in Houston. I haven't wanted to kill myself more than three or four times this summer. It was almost daily when I lived in Houston.

Seems to me like this year has been much worse humidity-wise than in previous years. There have been times last week where I simply cannot stop sweating after spending just 10 minutes outside...say, like from bringing groceries in from my car. The only way to stop sweating is to just take a really cold shower.


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 12275587)
grrr Texas Sept 1, now all people must be buckled up, no more exemption for large trucks or over 18 in the backseat. Hello Nannny!

And, I believe, drivers cannot use cell phones in a school zone.

I wonder if the police will ticket all the soccer moms who are waiting for their little cupcakes to get out of school? Somehow, I doubt it.

ssullivan Aug 24, 2009 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 12275620)
I put my personal domain on the gmail apps system and have no spam issues. No need to pay for that.

That generally works too. But I know from personal experience, and from what I hear from others, if you use gmail, and do something like firstinitial lastname@gmail.com, or firstnamelastname@gmail.com, or anything like that, and you have a name that's pretty common, expect the spam bots to find you quickly.

Steph3n Aug 24, 2009 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by ssullivan (Post 12275714)
What's wrong with requiring people to do something basic that could save their life?

What is wrong with it? It isn't needed. It is just a form of revenue for cities.

AMF in NJ Aug 24, 2009 2:51 pm


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 12275709)
Among adults capable of making the decision, I agree. People should have the freedom to be make stupid choices as long as they don't jeopardize my liberties or safety.

Does it count as liberty impinging when I have to wait in traffic when someone didn't wear their helmet/seat belt and they need to bring in a life flight or conduct an accident investigation? :-:

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Aug 24, 2009 2:52 pm


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 12275709)
* Making them default organ donors - I don't see that as a constitutional issue.

I can. The Family Members of the deceased have certain rights with respect to the handling of their loved-ones' remains. All sorts of First Amendment (Establishment Clause), Fifth/Fourteenth Due Process, and Fourteenth Equal Protection issues would be raised by such a statute.

icurhere2 Aug 24, 2009 2:52 pm


Originally Posted by uncertaintraveler (Post 12275728)
I wonder if the police will ticket all the soccer moms who are waiting for their little cupcakes to get out of school? Somehow, I doubt it.

I dislike selective law enforcement. Back in Maryland, there's a large church right outside College Park that gives heavily to political parties. There are "No parking" signs along the highway for miles and one will get a heavy fine. The unstated exception is "Except Sunday". Apparently, the highway is unsafe on Saturday but more safe on Sunday, when the traffic's heavier - miles of parked cars and people jaywalking. :rolleyes:

ssullivan Aug 24, 2009 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 12275673)
doesn't matter, it is a person's choice to be stupid, make laws saying that the state won't pay for their care and if they don't wear a seatbelt are default an organ donor....

kinda like riding a motorcycle without a helmet.

Yes, it's stupid for people to do that. On the other hand, I'd prefer not to have to subsidize their stupidity through higher insurance premiums and tax dollars that go to care for people seriously injured, or permanently disabled, from easily preventable injuries. And you can't just say "the state won't pay for it." Somebody has to pay for it. We're all guaranteed access to emergency room care, regardless of ability to pay, and regardless of who eventually ends up footing the bill.

There's absolutely no reason whatsoever for not wearing a seatbelt. Period. And if you're dumb enough to not wear it, then maybe you deserve to be stopped and have a ticket issued.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Aug 24, 2009 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by uncertaintraveler (Post 12275728)
Yes, the whole "lower humidity this weekend" was nothing but a cruel hoax. I've given up watching the weather forecasts. Not worth the hassle.

Seems to me like this year has been much worse humidity-wise than in previous years. There have been times last week where I simply cannot stop sweating after spending just 10 minutes outside...say, like from bringing groceries in from my car. The only way to stop sweating is to just take a really cold shower.

It has been bad. I'm expectantly waiting for that first morning (in months) where I can go outside and it is pleasantly cool (I'd take low 70s), with low humidity (below 40%).

icurhere2 Aug 24, 2009 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by AMF in NJ (Post 12275739)
Does it count as liberty impinging when I have to wait in traffic when someone didn't wear their helmet/seat belt and they need to bring in a life flight or conduct an accident investigation? :-:

Only if "streets where traffic always flows well" is guaranteed in the constitution. Driving itself isn't even a "right". There are many "fundamental rights" that are now assumed but never provided for in that great document. And I'm done with this for now, as I don't want to visit OMNI/PR. ;)

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Aug 24, 2009 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by ssullivan (Post 12275751)
There's absolutely no reason whatsoever for not wearing a seatbelt. Period. And if you're dumb enough to not wear it, then maybe you deserve to be stopped and have a ticket issued.

I'm with you on this one. I don't even view this as a slippery-slope argument. It's not like any sane legislator is going to think: "hey, we just mandated seatbelts in large trucks and rear-seats, now let's get to work on mandating random anal-probing at the discretion of DPS officers..."

ssullivan Aug 24, 2009 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 12275731)
What is wrong with it? It isn't needed. It is just a form of revenue for cities.

It's quite easy to avoid paying. Wear your seat belt. Simple as that.

And are you stating the current law, which has been in effect for decades now, requiring front seat passengers to wear a seat belt wasn't effective? Despite data showing an increase in compliance, and reductions in severe injuries, disabilities, and deaths due to not wearing a seat belt?

rolov Aug 24, 2009 3:00 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12275569)
Weren't you just ping-ponging around Australasia in premium cabins? :p

That was all thanks to points, mistake fares and low intra asia premium fares.

icurhere2 Aug 24, 2009 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12275767)
I'm with you on this one. I don't even view this as a slippery-slope argument.

Are we going to mandate seatbelt use on buses, trains, and aircraft, limiting the use of the restroom only to times when the conveyance isn't moving? Obviously, it's more safe for me and the other occupants that way.


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