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Flyer_70 Aug 4, 2009 8:14 pm


Originally Posted by bdjohns1 (Post 12176262)
Hell, I'd be happy with 4.5 sigma. 6 sigma is hard for dairy processes when you've got tight spec ranges, because cows don't always make the same milk.

I'm not doing full 6S training - just teaching a few tools to a plant that's looking to get some variation under control.


Well you need to have a word with those cows. :D

I'm in a different industry. We have pretty clear definition around process capabilities and how they relate to product design. So in theory 6 sigma is *easy*. In practice, there is a bit more of a struggle to make sure a 6 sigma design incorporates those capabilities, along with x amount of other requirements. That and insuring all parties understand clearly what six sigma is about. These days, perhaps I'll take the variability of cows. :)

bdjohns1 Aug 4, 2009 8:15 pm


Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter (Post 12176216)
Isn't Six Sigma teh thingy that teaches you how to be a more efficient :rolleyes: capable of stalling meaningful personal development in favor of serving the whims of your Sith-Lord masters?

Something like that. Personally, I prefer Lean to Six Sigma because it's more people-focused. My opinion is that 6S is just statistical process control with some good project management practices slapped on top. Lean (at least if it's done right) is more conducive to personal development of yourself and the people you're working with. I think that's why Toyota only became unprofitable during the worst of the current economic :rolleyes: and has been able to keep going without laying off full-time workers. (they've been able to pull back capacity through reduction of temps and reduced OT).

In my mind, 6S projects are done with the bottom-line in mind from the start. 6S consultants always tell you how much money you'll save per Black Belt per year. Lean principles are more like "Let's do the right thing, and the whole money bit will fall into place."

Since my :rolleyes: title is "Program Manager, Lean / Six Sigma Projects", I get to pick what's best for the job.


Originally Posted by Flyer_70 (Post 12176231)
Yes. That and massive stop-ships/recalls. Sith-Lord masters don't like either.

Nope.

bdjohns1 Aug 4, 2009 8:17 pm


Originally Posted by cheepneezy (Post 12176295)
And frankly, the cows don't care.:D No performance bonuses.

Nope. And Box, let me tell you a dirty little secret. With few exceptions, happy cows do not come from California.

Plus1 Aug 4, 2009 8:17 pm


Originally Posted by fozz (Post 12175232)
Eh, it just goes to show that the box is becoming more and more of a sanctuary.

Dunno about that. There was a sighting of a mythical bridge dweller here recently.

Anglo Large Clawed Otter Aug 4, 2009 8:18 pm


Originally Posted by bdjohns1 (Post 12176322)
Something like that. Personally, I prefer Lean to Six Sigma because it's more people-focused. My opinion is that 6S is just statistical process control with some good project management practices slapped on top. Lean (at least if it's done right) is more conducive to personal development of yourself and the people you're working with. I think that's why Toyota only became unprofitable during the worst of the current economic :rolleyes: and has been able to keep going without laying off full-time workers. (they've been able to pull back capacity through reduction of temps and reduced OT).

In my mind, 6S projects are done with the bottom-line in mind from the start. 6S consultants always tell you how much money you'll save per Black Belt per year. Lean principles are more like "Let's do the right thing, and the whole money bit will fall into place."

Blessings upon Frederick Winslow Taylor...

KNRG Aug 4, 2009 8:21 pm

I googled sigma six.. ya'll are weird.

Plus1 Aug 4, 2009 8:23 pm


Originally Posted by jrzyshawn (Post 12175466)
Going out to the local filthy Wal-Mart now in North Jersey. When I visit my friend in LAS and go to Wal-Mart I am shocked by how clean they are. The few that we have in this are are total dumps. :td:


Originally Posted by fozz (Post 12175498)
The ones in CA are awful as well. The best ones I've seen are in AZ and TX. It's like a whole different world.

WalMart is the festering pit of the retail world and should not be patronized. :td: Their evilness knows no bounds.

Boutique Target ^

bdjohns1 Aug 4, 2009 8:25 pm


Originally Posted by Flyer_70 (Post 12176318)
I'm in a different industry. We have pretty clear definition around process capabilities and how they relate to product design. So in theory 6 sigma is *easy*. In practice, there is a bit more of a struggle to make sure a 6 sigma design incorporates those practices, along with x amount of other requirements. That and insuring all parties understand clearly what six sigma is about. These days, perhaps I'll take the variability of cows. :)

We're usually pretty good about setting process capability on new products that we come out with. Where it's a struggle is on legacy products where we're trying to cost-optimize up against a regulatory restriction that doesn't have a bearing on consumer liking.

For example, Uncle :rolleyes: says that Product X can not contain any more than 55% water. In reality, consumers like Product X just fine whether we make it at 52% water or 57% water. So, we try to figure out how close we can safely run without exceeding 55% (given R&R of the moisture test) and still have a capable process.

Steve GadFly Aug 4, 2009 8:25 pm

Did anyone see the episode of 30 Rock where they went to a 6-Sigma conference? I'm too lazy to look for it right now but it's very ^

KNRG Aug 4, 2009 8:27 pm


Originally Posted by Steve GadFly (Post 12176379)
Did anyone see the episode of 30 Rock where they went to a 6-Sigma conference? I'm too lazy to look for it right now but it's very ^

Oo? Seriously?!?

Combining Tina Fey and something I completely don't even begin to understand sounds like a good way to pass the evening instead of cleaning this apartment.

bdjohns1 Aug 4, 2009 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by Steve GadFly (Post 12176379)
Did anyone see the episode of 30 Rock where they went to a 6-Sigma conference? I'm too lazy to look for it right now but it's very ^

If it's on Hulu, I'd be up for that. I'd love to see them biting the hand that feeds them.

(for those who haven't read a business text in the last 20 years, GE made Six Sigma a big deal)

icurhere2 Aug 4, 2009 8:29 pm

I received an e-mail exception for my UPS-shipped package (didn't have a choice, shipping was included in cost). I got the message "INCORRECT ROUTING AT UPS FACILITY". What does this mean? The 52 pound box (not dollar coins) was scanned and put on a local delivery truck. However, the delivery failed, as the driver's range was 241 miles away from my house ...

bdjohns1 Aug 4, 2009 8:33 pm

The 30 Rock episode is on Hulu:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/54234/30-r...o-move-forward

^

KNRG Aug 4, 2009 8:34 pm


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 12176398)
I received an e-mail exception for my UPS-shipped package (didn't have a choice, shipping was included in cost). I got the message "INCORRECT ROUTING AT UPS FACILITY". What does this mean? The 52 pound box (not dollar coins) was scanned and put on a local delivery truck. However, the delivery failed, as the driver's range was 241 miles away from my house ...

It means getting your box soon is "not possible."

One of the facilities it went through it went the wrong way down a belt and got on the wrong plane/train/automobile. Perhaps your shipper put in the wrong info or you made a typo, dunno.

If you don't have any kind of reasonable answer in the next day or two, get ahold of me via PM. My sister used to work for/manage customer support for UPS and knows who to talk to and what to say to get it back.

bdjohns1 Aug 4, 2009 8:35 pm

The "broadband" connection at my DosÁrboles is about as broad as an anorexic.


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