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MBM3 Apr 6, 2009 10:11 am


Originally Posted by colpuck (Post 11535605)
I am taking in money hand over fist on my domestic routes, such to the point I see no need to start flying internationally at this time. I'll probably go international when I run out of domestic routes to start.

It is interesting to see how all of this plays out. I decided to take a hit and go for longhaul routes, but I can see how this type of routing structure can do quite well.

MBM3 Apr 6, 2009 10:15 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11535752)
If we had a Full World, I could run DXB to Baghdad or something to eat up hours.

I look forward to doing a full world next round. For one, the learning curve will be over for many of us & I think we will see many try to emulate live airlines.

Good stuff!

kingalien Apr 6, 2009 10:15 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11535928)
30-round handgun mags...I guess you can get those in states that aren't run by the Orwellians.

Got them before the California pre-ban kicked in :rolleyes::rolleyes:.

I have magazines that are worth more than the gun.

Mackieman Apr 6, 2009 10:17 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11535752)
The problems I'm having at DXB are more a function of my mistaken choice of the Small World option. If we had a Full World, I could run DXB to Baghdad or something to eat up hours.

ETA: Regarding the 757 assertion, the only city in continental Europe that cannot be reached by a 737 is DUB. My 737's in DXB can also make SIN.

Huh, I didn't think a 737 could go EU - DXB. I stand corrected and shall purchase one and add the route. ^

ConciergeMike Apr 6, 2009 10:19 am


Originally Posted by rolov (Post 11535916)
If I was buying a gun, it would be the Barrett M107 .50 Caliber sniper rifle.

Don't be this guy...

One of the greatest firearm YouTubes EVER.


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 11535920)
For a handgun permit? Pass the course, go to Department of Safety, prove you are a U.S. citizen, and get fingerprinted for a multi-agency background check (includes mental health).

For a handgun purchase? Go to the store, prove identity, pass the background check (includes mental health), and get fingerprinted.

Meh. For someone from NJ, that's too easy and we would accuse you of leaving out numerous steps in the process.

NJ Rifle/Shotgun/Ammo Permit:
  1. File papers with municipal police, two checks for fees attached ($51 at last check).
  2. Wait.
  3. Wait.
  4. Wait.
  5. Get fingerprinted.
  6. Wait.
  7. Wait.
  8. Wait.
  9. Get a flimsy paper card that entitles you to on the spot long gun purchase and any ammo purchase.

NJ Handgun Permit to Purchase:
  1. Follow all above steps, then recieve Papal dispensation from New Jersey to go to the store and select a weapon.
  2. Wait for 15+ minutes while store clerk calls automated number.
  3. Fill out and sign permit intriplicate.
  4. Go immediately to pharmacy and purchase hemmorrhoid donut for resting your sore tookus.


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 11535920)
Situations like that are an absolute shame - those with criminal intent and wearing body armor aren't going to follow any laws anyway. And one of the first things taught to those lawfully carrying in most states is "defense of a third party" - the use of deadly force is authorized to protect others and stop this type of situation. Those who carry legally understand the legal liability and responsibilities inherent.

Those who wish to ban legal carry fail to understand that people who are seeking to carry legally are not:
  1. Stupid
  2. Warmongers
  3. Backwoods hicks

MBM3 Apr 6, 2009 10:24 am

Unfortunately I think we are going to see a lot more of these tragic shootings that, despite my liberal tenancies, I do not think can be avoided with any amount of legislation. Beyond the silly copy cat crap, there is such a high level of desperation in our world that people are going to resolve with desperate measures. It is sad on so many levels that seemingly fine citizens are making tragic decisions....

ConciergeMike Apr 6, 2009 10:33 am


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 11535938)
I have no idea when he purchased the gun he used and think it's irrelevant (a quick consultation of google shows that his guns were registered and legal).

For the record, I'm not anti-gun at all, but I'm anti things like what happened in Binghamton. I don't know if the situation could have been prevented, but I'm all for safety-nets that don't impinge on our civil liberties, as outlined in the Constitution. Note, however that the right to bear arms as a legal provision defined by the Supreme Court is for Self Defense purposes. What happened in Binghamton was not self defense. I recognize that it's impossible to know someone's intentions when they purchase a fire arm.

However, I personally know someone who's life was saved because they couldn't buy a gun without a wait period. During that period their erratic behavior caught the attention of enough people that they were provided the help they needed.

[/omni] (sorry)

I share the view re: active shooters. You can't know intent on purchase, and if anyone has a less than legal intent, they're certainly not going to blab about it. And if the right to bear arms is noted as a self-defense provision, then certain elected officials need to understand that the police are not always the answer, and that organizations like the JPFO might have a point after all.


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 11535940)
Can't get the 33 round magazine - that's a restricted purchase ...

When you've already put 30 downrange, do the other three really make a difference? :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by MBM3 (Post 11535958)
I look forward to doing a full world next round. For one, the learning curve will be over for many of us & I think we will see many try to emulate live airlines.

Good stuff!

Indeed. Only one CO copycat allowed per world.


Originally Posted by Mackieman (Post 11535973)
Huh, I didn't think a 737 could go EU - DXB. I stand corrected and shall purchase one and add the route. ^

Research appropriately.


Originally Posted by MBM3 (Post 11536017)
Unfortunately I think we are going to see a lot more of these tragic shootings that, despite my liberal tenancies, I do not think can be avoided with any amount of legislation. Beyond the silly copy cat crap, there is such a high level of desperation in our world that people are going to resolve with desperate measures. It is sad on so many levels that seemingly fine citizens are making tragic decisions....

The tons of feelgood legislation that's out there is not necessary should the existing laws actually get enforced.

Hartmann Apr 6, 2009 10:34 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11535978)
Don't be this guy...

One of the greatest firearm YouTubes EVER.

At the end of the video they say "no more iron...", were they really shooting at iron plates? :rolleyes:

ConciergeMike Apr 6, 2009 10:38 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11536079)
At the end of the video they say "no more iron...", were they really shooting at iron plates? :rolleyes:

Steel. They're called "witness plates" and are used in competitive handgun shooting, because a handgun round will create a bearing of witness to the plate being hit; i.e. marking of some sort. High-powered rifle rounds have far too much kinetic energy to use these things at the short distance he was using them at...a military sniper on a .50 can explode a human head at several thousand yards, and this dipstick had functionally the same bullet set up to strike a steel plate 100 yards downrange.

ETA again: I met a Marine sniper who used a .50 in the opening days of Gulf War, Part One. His orders were to take out satellite dishes. A .50 into the center of most satellite dishes is enough to unmount the dish from whatever it's bolted to. Bye bye, enemy comms. And I say again: steel at 100 yards.

Hartmann Apr 6, 2009 10:46 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11536109)
Steel. They're called "witness plates" and are used in competitive handgun shooting, because a handgun round will create a bearing of witness to the plate being hit; i.e. marking of some sort. High-powered rifle rounds have far too much kinetic energy to use these things at the short distance he was using them at...a military sniper on a .50 can explode a human head at several thousand yards, and this dipstick had functionally the same bullet set up to strike a steel plate 100 yards downrange.

Yeah, that was my point. My buddies in Iraq told me that the snipers who use .50s there are not to engage "hardened" targets closer than 200 yards due to ricochet. But from what you posted, that may not be true.

I think the SPR Mk12 is one of the more interesting looking guns out there.

icurhere2 Apr 6, 2009 10:52 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 11536073)
When you've already put 30 downrange, do the other three really make a difference? :rolleyes:

Can carry as many magazines as desired - just have to drop one or more. If I'm ever in a situation where I have to drop even a 10 ...

ConciergeMike Apr 6, 2009 11:01 am


Originally Posted by Hartmann (Post 11536154)
Yeah, that was my point. My buddies in Iraq told me that the snipers who use .50s there are not to engage "hardened" targets closer than 200 yards due to ricochet. But from what you posted, that may not be true.

I think the SPR Mk12 is one of the more interesting looking guns out there.

And re: the Mk 12 - good choice, but if I had my choice of anything, I would go either PSG-1 or SR-25.

I would argue the opposite - surely the 200-yard thing is true - if anything, the video would prove that. I forgot to mention that my example with the satellite dish guy involved him being on a tripod in a relatively fixed position almost a mile from the targets. The guy in the video is a goofy civilian.


Originally Posted by icurhere2 (Post 11536186)
Can carry as many magazines as desired - just have to drop one or more. If I'm ever in a situation where I have to drop even a 10 ...

Exactly. If brandishing and turning on a really authoritative voice doesn't work and you're into actual shooting, there better be enough in the first one to cover you. (Thanks, Clinton mag rules.) Reaching for extras means a tactical advance to the rear for most of us.

Phudnik Apr 6, 2009 11:03 am


Originally Posted by belynch (Post 11535743)
I wouldn't be surprised if, to accommodate the request of their FC passenger, they actually have a mallard wandering around the FCT. "Ein Schwimmen Hunchen fur Herr rolov."

Late to the game, I know, but I think it's an Entchen, though from what I can tell of rolov from his posts he might like the swimming chicken better. </pedantry>

Sorry for the German pedantry but I too work for a subsidiary of a giant German conglomerate and there must be some utility from that sometime.

Hartmann Apr 6, 2009 11:06 am

Mack Brown cracks me up: http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday....uth-champions/

Muschamp probably wouldn't put the asterisk in there. :p

belynch Apr 6, 2009 11:12 am


Originally Posted by Phudnik (Post 11536272)
he might like the swimming chicken better. </pedantry>

Yes, the swimming chicken translation was for humor purposes only and was not intended to be a direct translation.


Originally Posted by Phudnik (Post 11536272)
I too work for a subsidiary of a giant German conglomerate and there must be some utility from that sometime.

As do I. And so do I. Which is why my joke, an intentional .......ization of a language that is so incredibly precise, was that much funnier to myself (and apparently, no one else*). I mean, come one, isn't a duck nothing more than a swimming chicken from a technical / engineering standpoint? ;)







Also referred to as the Dennis Miller Factor. :rolleyes:


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