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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 2:29 pm
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Hi - the CAAC website says: 自1月10日起,分别暂停上述4个航班运行2班。Translation: "Since January 10, the operations of the above 4 flights will be suspended for 2 flights." The 4 flights referred to include UA857. But it seems that the suspension is just for 2 days. Does anybody else know more? I'm booked on UA857 on January 19. With Omnicron ripping through the mainland, and the response being massive lockdowns, I might just put my trip off for a few months. Thoughts?
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 4:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Perpetuum
...The 4 flights referred to include UA857. But it seems that the suspension is just for 2 days....
Everything I saw points to TWO WEEKS, not two days (this is from a blog that's usually reliable for this type of info):

"On December 26, 7 passengers on flight UA857 [...] tested positive for the novel coronavirus.
As a result, UA857 [...] were suspended for two weeks starting [...] January 10 [...], 2022."
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 4:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Perpetuum
Hi - the CAAC website says: 自1月10日起,分别暂停上述4个航班运行2班。Translation: "Since January 10, the operations of the above 4 flights will be suspended for 2 flights." The 4 flights referred to include UA857. But it seems that the suspension is just for 2 days. Does anybody else know more? I'm booked on UA857 on January 19. With Omnicron ripping through the mainland, and the response being massive lockdowns, I might just put my trip off for a few months. Thoughts?
It actually says suspended for two flights, and not two days. As these flights operate once per week, two flights = two weeks.
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 5:09 pm
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Originally Posted by tauphi
It actually says suspended for two flights, and not two days. As these flights operate once per week, two flights = two weeks.

Yeah, I saw that too, but there's more than one-a-week.
If they REALLY mean twice, it's only the Wednesday Jan 12, and Friday Jan 14 flights that are affected.
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Old Jan 5, 2022 | 11:14 pm
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Originally Posted by UA_Flyer
I called UA, but continued to get the response the flight on Jan 9 is not affected. Where do you get the information you shared above?
Originally Posted by Perpetuum
Hi - the CAAC website says: 自1月10日起,分别暂停上述4个航班运行2班。Translation: "Since January 10, the operations of the above 4 flights will be suspended for 2 flights." The 4 flights referred to include UA857. But it seems that the suspension is just for 2 days. Does anybody else know more? I'm booked on UA857 on January 19. With Omnicron ripping through the mainland, and the response being massive lockdowns, I might just put my trip off for a few months. Thoughts?
Sorry I got the dates wrong.

From my understanding, the CAAC order says UA 857 is suspended for two weeks for Sunday arrival effective Jan. 10. This means the flights arriving on Jan. 16 and 23. Therefore, UA 857 departing on Jan. 15 and 22 are suspended.

UA can choose to reduce capacity from 75% to 40% for 4 weeks i.e. for flights departing on Jan. 15, 22, 29, Feb. 5. So we will see.

It's total madness.
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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 12:51 am
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Originally Posted by kb1992
From my understanding, the CAAC order says UA 857 is suspended for two weeks for Sunday arrival effective Jan. 10. This means the flights arriving on Jan. 16 and 23. Therefore, UA 857 departing on Jan. 15 and 22 are suspended.
Oh, that's quite an odd way of handling it, IMO. But what do I know?
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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 5:39 am
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Originally Posted by narvik
Oh, that's quite an odd way of handling it, IMO. But what do I know?
Not really odd.

From China's point of view, they don't care when the inbound aircraft takes off. They don't bother to calculate the time difference. They just refuse to accept UA's flight arriving on Sunday (anytime) because it was the guilty flight carrying more than 5 positive cases on a Sunday.
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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 6:48 am
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Originally Posted by kb1992
Not really odd.

From China's point of view, they don't care when the inbound aircraft takes off. They don't bother to calculate the time difference. They just refuse to accept UA's flight arriving on Sunday (anytime) because it was the guilty flight carrying more than 5 positive cases on a Sunday.
The Sunday flights arrive on Monday, but that seems irrelevant. The 'offending' flight was December 26; they let Jan 2 and Jan 9 go, then stop Jan 16 and Jan 23, then all is good again. And none of the Wednesday and Friday flights are suspended.
Yes, that's odd to me.
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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by narvik
The Sunday flights arrive on Monday, but that seems irrelevant. The 'offending' flight was December 26; they let Jan 2 and Jan 9 go, then stop Jan 16 and Jan 23, then all is good again. And none of the Wednesday and Friday flights are suspended.
Yes, that's odd to me.
This pattern actually makes it easier to predict suspensions :-)

Once your flight has 5+ cases, pax booked on the same flight two weeks later should be worried.
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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 2:36 pm
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Great to see some good news regarding re-entry to China, the scrapping of the need to take the IgM test when flying back, hopefully it will make returning a bit easier and cheaper...
In order to prevent the further spread of Covid-19 and protect the health and safety of travellers from the UK to China, starting from 6th January 2022, people fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines who are travelling from the UK to China need to take two PCR tests instead of the previously required one PCR test and one IgM test.

The detailed instructions are as follows:

Ⅰ. For travellers who are fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines, and whose flights will take off and depart the UK after 00:00 am, 6th January 2022, two PCR tests are required instead of one PCR test and one IgM test.

Ⅱ. Both PCR tests must be done in Chinese Embassy-designated clinics. They can be taken in two clinics separately or in one clinic. If the two PCR tests are taken in one clinic, two samples must be collected and the two samples must be sent to two different laboratories. The name of the laboratory must be quoted on the respective test report.

Ⅲ. With the enforcement of this Supplementary Notice, travellers who are fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines must, when applying for the HDC green code, upload two PCR test reports as well as their proof of vaccination.

Ⅳ. Travellers fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines refer to the people who have received all the necessary doses with required time intervals. For example, full vaccination of two-dose inactivated vaccines requires two doses with the second dose received at least 14 days after the first dose. If the second dose is taken less than 14 days after the first dose, the receiver is regarded as not fully vaccinated.

Ⅴ. Travellers who have received the live attenuated vaccines after or before being fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines count as being fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines.

Ⅵ. Travellers whose flight departing the UK leaves before 00:00 am on 6th January 2022, or who are not fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines shall follow the requirements of previous notices when applying for the HDC green code.

Ⅶ. Whether one is fully inoculated with inactivated vaccines or not, the requirement for Day-7 prior test remains the same.

Ⅷ. All the time mentioned in this Notice is London local time. If the flight is delayed, the original scheduled time on the itinerary prevails.
Supplementary Notice for Travellers Fully Inoculated with Inactivated Vaccines

2021-12-31 05:24

Supplementary Notice for Travellers Fully Inoculated with Inactivated Vaccines
Which COVID-19 vaccines are considered inactivated? Which are live attenuated? Are Moderna and Pfizer in either category? (My understanding would be that the answer to the last question is NO.)
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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Which COVID-19 vaccines are considered inactivated? Which are live attenuated? Are Moderna and Pfizer in either category? (My understanding would be that the answer to the last question is NO.)
see my post upthread

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/33858430-post1161.html

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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 3:07 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Which COVID-19 vaccines are considered inactivated? Which are live attenuated? Are Moderna and Pfizer in either category? (My understanding would be that the answer to the last question is NO.)
I don't know what they mean with "live attenuated vaccine", because AFAIK, there isn't even one of those available yet. (Codagenix is working on one).

- Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna = mRNA
- AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, The Gamalaya Center, CanSino Biologics = Adenovirus vector
- Sinopharm, Sinovac Biotech = Inactivated virus

- Codagenix (in development) = Live attenuated

My best guess is:
for the purposes of this announcement, China looks at their vaccines as INACTIVATED, and all others as LIVE ATTENUATED, despite that being incorrect?



Sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8354792/
and
https://www.immunology.org/coronavir...s-for-covid-19
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Originally Posted by narvik
I don't know what they mean with "live attenuated vaccine", because AFAIK, there isn't even one of those available yet. (Codagenix is working on one).

- Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna = mRNA
- AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, The Gamalaya Center, CanSino Biologics = Adenovirus vector
- Sinopharm, Sinovac Biotech = Inactivated virus

- Codagenix (in development) = Live attenuated

My best guess is:
for the purposes of this announcement, China looks at their vaccines as INACTIVATED, and all others as LIVE ATTENUATED, despite that being incorrect?



Sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8354792/
and
https://www.immunology.org/coronavir...s-for-covid-19
It's just an error in the English translation, the Chinese text talks about inactivated vs. non-inactivated.
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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 6:53 pm
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Originally Posted by UA_Flyer
I called UA, but continued to get the response the flight on Jan 9 is not affected. Where do you get the information you shared above?

Recently 10 flights were announced for temporary suspension.

I skipped screenshotting the middle which has a flight suspended each from Algeria and Italy
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Old Jan 6, 2022 | 10:43 pm
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Thank you kb1992, narvik and uani for all your helpful explanations.

Looks like I am good Jan 9 UA857 flight if I get all the right tests tomorrow at the Northern California clinic and receive the green coide.

Not looking forward to the 14+7quarantine in Shanghai and additional 7-day monitoring in Beijing. This will be my third quanrantine in Shanghai.
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