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Old May 14, 2022 | 7:55 pm
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Dynamic zero is anything you want it to be
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Old May 14, 2022 | 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
But they haven't gotten it to zero.
They've got Rt way below one and that's all you need.
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Old May 14, 2022 | 8:29 pm
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Originally Posted by kb1992
Indeed.

This dramatic shift in exit/entry policy serves three purposes

1) By restricting exit, you have less entry problem to worry about, good for zero-covid

2) Less chance of people traveling abroad to get brain washed

3) Saves lot of foreign currency.

Win win win for the Kingdom.



The Kingdom had a long history for that. At times the Kingdom had good prosperity.

Yes, many folks are considering applying citizenship of other countries and giving up PRC passports.
The Panama papers indicate China's wealthy and elites all have offshore accounts.
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Old May 14, 2022 | 9:12 pm
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Originally Posted by kb1992
Indeed.

This dramatic shift in exit/entry policy serves three purposes

1) By restricting exit, you have less entry problem to worry about, good for zero-covid
If there are entry problems, then that is an admission that the quarantine process is not working.

Originally Posted by kb1992
2) Less chance of people traveling abroad to get brain washed

3) Saves lot of foreign currency.

Win win win for the Kingdom.
Pissing off your own people is never a "win" for the country in the long term. At some point, people reach a breaking point where they won't tolerate any more crap and they overthrow the government. China has a history of one dynasty replacing the overthrown one, but the people also have a history of waiting until stuff gets so bad that they have to violently overthrow the government instead of having an orderly transition. And that's what happens when you allow the government to get away with so much crap in the first place.

Originally Posted by kb1992
The Kingdom had a long history for that. At times the Kingdom had good prosperity.

Yes, many folks are considering applying citizenship of other countries and giving up PRC passports.
Saw one of my Chinese friends today and he said he heard some woman (a PRC citizen with a US green card) had her green card cut when she was trying to leave. Her daughter, who has a US passport, could have left, but is too young to fly by herself.

Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel
But they haven't gotten it to zero.
And even if they somehow do get to zero because of a miracle, the cost of doing this keeps getting bigger and bigger each time.
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Old May 14, 2022 | 10:40 pm
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Originally Posted by gudugan
Dynamic zero is anything you want it to be
The only dynamic thing about it is the number of zeros at the end of case counts
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Old May 15, 2022 | 6:44 am
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Originally Posted by angetenar
The only dynamic thing about it is the number of zeros at the end of case counts
They'll get it to close to zero, open up, hold a glorious celebration event where they talk about the party defeating the virus and then watch in shock as it spreads again.

This is really the dumbest policy they could have come up with.
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Old May 15, 2022 | 8:49 am
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Originally Posted by STS-134
If there are entry problems, then that is an admission that the quarantine process is not working.


Pissing off your own people is never a "win" for the country in the long term. At some point, people reach a breaking point where they won't tolerate any more crap and they overthrow the government. China has a history of one dynasty replacing the overthrown one, but the people also have a history of waiting until stuff gets so bad that they have to violently overthrow the government instead of having an orderly transition. And that's what happens when you allow the government to get away with so much crap in the first place.


Saw one of my Chinese friends today and he said he heard some woman (a PRC citizen with a US green card) had her green card cut when she was trying to leave. Her daughter, who has a US passport, could have left, but is too young to fly by herself.


And even if they somehow do get to zero because of a miracle, the cost of doing this keeps getting bigger and bigger each time.
Isn't the green card like a USA passport in that it's the property of the USA government? Will a USA consulate in China replace her green card? Will the government do anything since they're effectively preventing a USA citizen (the child) from leaving? OTOH, if the child has dual citizenship or the Chinese government can claim the child as a citizen, I guess not much can be done.
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Old May 15, 2022 | 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by tauphi
They've got Rt way below one and that's all you need.
The numbers go up and down.
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Old May 15, 2022 | 6:25 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Isn't the green card like a USA passport in that it's the property of the USA government? Will a USA consulate in China replace her green card? Will the government do anything since they're effectively preventing a USA citizen (the child) from leaving? OTOH, if the child has dual citizenship or the Chinese government can claim the child as a citizen, I guess not much can be done.
The Chinese government is known to have an exit ban policy, and it's implemented arbitrarily. China doesn't recognize dual citizenship
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Old May 15, 2022 | 7:04 pm
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Originally Posted by travelinmanS
They'll get it to close to zero, open up, hold a glorious celebration event where they talk about the party defeating the virus and then watch in shock as it spreads again.

This is really the dumbest policy they could have come up with.
They declared victory against COVID two years ago. Big celebration to show the superiority of their system
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Old May 16, 2022 | 9:31 am
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No matter what China does, Omicron will win out. My wife and I were vacinated (Moderna) and had 4 additional boosters (Moderna). About 10 days ago, she flew EWR-TPA and the next morning came down with Covid. She transmitted it to me and I was positive 2 days after her. So when they say it is highly contagious, it is an understatement. The theroy that this does not end until virtually everyone gets it is probably correct..This has the potential for a disaster in China and, by extension, the rest of the world.
Note: That both Sondra and I were put on Paxlovid and symptoms abated within 2 days. Truly a wonder drug. If anyone hs the ability to source some and put it away 'just in case", it is worth considering.

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Old May 16, 2022 | 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by Vulcan
My wife and I were vacinated (Moderna) and had 4 additional boosters (Moderna).
Five jabs? LOL

Should have tried Lianhua Qingwen, our buddy Zhang Wenhong who totally does not have ties to the manufacturer promises that it works.
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Old May 16, 2022 | 2:23 pm
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Another update.

My Q hotel room offers the best views of any Shanghai Q hotels. Bar none, as an FTer living in China said after I shared the pictures in our WeChat group.

The views are spectacular. I see the empty streets, parked cars in the community, and seemingly non-flowing Huangpu River.

Shanghai, the most modern city in China with 26 million, simply freezes.

It is surreal.












I lived in Shanghai for many years and attended college there after Mao died.

I have never seen Shanghai like this.















My Q hotel is surrounded by locked down communities. It is literally sealed off from the rest of the world.

I can't order food or ask for delivery. Will update the meals during my stay before I am released.

But the location and views are excellent.





I will have a big decision to make after my 14 days of Q ends.

Where to go? Where can I go?
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Old May 16, 2022 | 5:29 pm
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Originally Posted by kb1992

Where to go? Where can I go?
This is why I was advising against going, even if it was only 35k miles and you got biz class.

I do know that the 12 on Hengshan hotel is open and accepting guests. I talked with the GM during one of my yard time strolls last month where I was able to walk up and down Hengshan in front of my complex. He said the procedure is to contact the hotel, send them your negative test results and he will liaise with the neighborhood on your behalf. If the neighborhood gives the green light you can stay there.

Im sure there are other hotels like this in Shanghai by they are few and far between as most hotels have been requisitioned by the government to give a place for the modern symbol of China, the snowmen, to sleep.
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Old May 16, 2022 | 5:53 pm
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Do you want to stay in Shanghai, or is "where can I go?" in country-wide sense?
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