Current China Entry policy
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They still haven't figured out that they are in a hole, so they are continuing to dig. I'm going to get a pretty good laugh once they finally realize that they've been off course, because anyone with common sense recognized this months ago.
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I wonder what the Hong Kong's current approach is (using Chinese proverb) now that I have moved to HK from the PRC.
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Twilight Zone:
CAN, T2 at 7pm packed to the brim with no people at all. 😲
CAN, T2 at 7pm packed to the brim with no people at all. 😲
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I asked my wife about that. She said it's a story about a guy who drops his sword off a boat, marks the spot on the boat where he dropped his sword, then goes back home and thinks he can jump off the boat at the marked spot and look for the sword. I asked how she knows the story and she said it was in her elementary school textbook. Is this some Chinese version of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" or "The Three Little Pigs" that everyone just somehow knows?
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I asked my wife about that. She said it's a story about a guy who drops his sword off a boat, marks the spot on the boat where he dropped his sword, then goes back home and thinks he can jump off the boat at the marked spot and look for the sword. I asked how she knows the story and she said it was in her elementary school textbook. Is this some Chinese version of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" or "The Three Little Pigs" that everyone just somehow knows?
If you are learning Chinese as a second language it is a proper pain because knowing each individual character of the phrase is often meaningless unless you know the underlying story (e.g. what does "mark boat seek sword" mean without the story?). In addition modern Chinese has a lot of new slang, made up words, and carryover words from English that mean something completely different than the English term which adds other levels of complexity.
some examples:
躺平 - originally means to lie down; now is similar to the western concept of antiwork or avoiding the rat race
Ins - everyone else in the world calls Instagram IG but Chinese people call it Ins
PK - stands for player kill in a video game, term is not commonly used in English but means to fight each other 1v1 in Chinese
Last edited by gudugan; Apr 6, 2022 at 10:04 am
#1702
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You know how to make an antigen test return a negative result, right? Don't swab your nose, then post a photo of your "negative" test. As long as they continue to lock neighbors down as a result of one person in an entire compound testing positive, they are providing a significant incentive for people to lie, bribe, or cheat their way to a negative test, even if they are infected.
If my analogy on participating in these tests is akin to discharging a tax obligation (I can't remember if I've used this analogy on FT yet, I've analogised the Hong Kong Fri/Sat/Sun tests as voluntarily reporting and paying taxes), obviously there will be incentives for people to lie on their tax return.
In stark contrast: I just took RT-PCR tests here in Beijing, and I am still surprised that no one actually checks ID. Anyone could just turn up, and do a test for anyone else, it seems. Might have been a phone login at one point, but not too sure. Seems odd...
Just in case, I took two tests, one for each passport I am using for this trip.
Just in case, I took two tests, one for each passport I am using for this trip.
Thats actually true here as well. They only look at the code on your phone and scan it. Conceivably you could register and send the code screenshot to someone else and have them test for you. That would work in a big compound with lots of foreigners. Im the only foreigner in my building and they all know me and my apartment number. So I wouldnt be able to pull it off during these lockdown tests but I presumably could have had someone take my tests a few weeks ago when they were mass testing at a place further away from my building.
Now that they've brought in people from outside the city to help, none of those people know anyone. And I would think locals might have a bigger incentive to cheat or lie; foreigners can be expelled for breaking the rules, plus aren't a lot of the foreigners there single? If they're still separating parents and children if the children test positive but the parents do not, a parent whose child has symptoms would have a pretty high motivation to, say, swab nothing and just put the drops in the antigen test kit to show a "negative" test for the kid. Of course, you can't do that if it's an in-person PCR test but you might be able to substitute another kid for the sick one. Obviously there aren't going to be any statistics on how often stuff like this happens but I'd be surprised if it's not happening.
Shows they trust their government up to this point unlike us in Hong Kong, where we gotten pretty used to doing exactly what the government has told us not to do since at least 2019 (i. don't mask up ii. don't get the vaccine and iii. don't raid the supermarket).
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Anyone who does trust the government will not do so again after this. This is one of those "fool me once, shame on you" scenarios.
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Made it to Auckland!
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Um... exactly the same proverb? https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34141036-post71.html
I asked my wife about that. She said it's a story about a guy who drops his sword off a boat, marks the spot on the boat where he dropped his sword, then goes back home and thinks he can jump off the boat at the marked spot and look for the sword. I asked how she knows the story and she said it was in her elementary school textbook. Is this some Chinese version of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" or "The Three Little Pigs" that everyone just somehow knows?
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https://weekly.chinacdc.cn/news/TrackingtheEpidemic.htm
March 25: 4988 cases
March 26: 5765 cases
March 27: 5702 cases
March 28: 6409 cases
March 29: 7051 cases
March 30: 8825 cases
March 31: 8559 cases
April 1: 7386 cases
April 2: 9998 cases
April 3: 13287 cases
April 4: 13267 cases
April 5: 16590 cases
April 6: 20614 cases
Seems the doubling time is getting smaller, and went from ~8 days to ~4 days. Should we make bets on when they'll start seeing > 100k cases/day? If this rate of growth continues, it could happen by the end of April.
March 25: 4988 cases
March 26: 5765 cases
March 27: 5702 cases
March 28: 6409 cases
March 29: 7051 cases
March 30: 8825 cases
March 31: 8559 cases
April 1: 7386 cases
April 2: 9998 cases
April 3: 13287 cases
April 4: 13267 cases
April 5: 16590 cases
April 6: 20614 cases
Seems the doubling time is getting smaller, and went from ~8 days to ~4 days. Should we make bets on when they'll start seeing > 100k cases/day? If this rate of growth continues, it could happen by the end of April.
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20K cases and the rest... and that's the rest of the reported cases, let alone the non-reported ones..
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I really hope they find a way to back away from zero Covid. People are gonna start to get real desperate in about a week if they food situation remains the same here.
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Pretty sure they do monitor the situation outside of China, especially in Asian countries, and should have come to conclusions that Omicron can't be contained, and that it's danger isn't that high anymore (especially when booster shots rolled out to elderly)
So yes, for once I can say I don't understand what's going on as the logic that was behind 0-covid is gone, and there isn't any reasonable replacement strategy. Sticking to a non-working covid-0 is just.. bad!

