125%. F is 150%.

well it's indeed quite the "absolute minimum"...vs. F/J/full-Y for AAdv all get you 150%...and 200% for J and 300% for F (is this right?) for BA's EC...not sure about other programs, but 125/150% probably is the lowest available, and yet the top-tier 120k requirement is the highest (and the worst is you cannot achieve it in one step - you need to go GR -> SL -> GO -> DM, every step your counter got reset).

in the past 2-3 years I used to be very comfortably re-qualifying AA's EXP year after year with ~70k of full Y (intra-Asia) and J (long-haul) flying every year (70k x 1.5)...and now this amount of flying could only get me ~80-90k qmiles on CX which translate to mid-way between Gold and Diamond...lucky I have a lot of KA flying as well to add to this.

Sorry to OT on this tread so much, but just want to confirm those AA bonus I thought it is for FFP only and not for Qpoints? 300% sounds so generous for status Qpoints?

Actually to make sure it is clear, it is 1.25 of the miles flown. Because technically for some non CX flights some discounted Y Class only earns 50% or 25% of miles flown.

yes it's for status points, for BA.

it's sth like the following (but not sure if I'm 100% right, but from my memory):

AAdv, award miles: full Y (100%), J (125%), F (150%)
AAdv, status miles: full Y, J, F (all 150%)

BA, award miles: Y (100%), prem Y (125%), J (150%), F (200%) - I think if you're paying full Y you actually could get prem Y already
BA, status "points": Y (100%), prem Y (125%), J (200%), F (300%) - this "100%" etc "points" are not directly calculated from miles traveled though...but if you just asking whether F gets 3x status credits vs. Y, yes...

well, but anyway, I think it's a consensus already for long that CX's status is harder to get than AA's, BA's, etc...so it's probably not the point of argument here anymore...

Thanks for the clarification. As for your other question, it is 1.5X Y/B on AA:
http://www.aa.com/content/AAdvantage...irements.jhtml
I am still an AA member, but seldom use the membership now.

Back to the topic, that is why sometimes some CX Gold members sometimes fly a lot more than other OW Emeralds (also CX Silver compared with OW Sapphire - I missed CX Gold several years ago with 59000 miles!). Until I saw this new op-up priority, I really have no idea whether CX Gold is above or below OW Emerald.

Well I think its pretty harsh to blame QF free-loading passengers for the overcrowding at that time of the evening. QF only has two evening departures, being QF128 at 9:10pm for Sydney, and either QF98 to BNE at 11:15pm or QF68 to PER at 11:35pm (operating on different days).

So the only QF flight around 11pm is a 2-class 767, hardly likely to have enough Qantas platinum "free-loaders" to cause lounge over-crowding, and will have no affect on The Pier since QF uses gates closer to The Wing.

I have never seen more than 2 other people dining in The Haven at either The Wing or The Pier at the same time as myself. I have never had to wait for a shower or cabana. I have never had to share a cluster of seats with another passenger at either The Wing or The Pier. But most of my HKG CX liunge visits are in the mornings.

Which lounges to CX F, J and MPO passengers use at Australian airports?

What about the MEL flights?

Also don't WP also travel in Y Class?

As for Aust airports, at any given time there is only 1 CX flight to deal with and only until recently it is not like the QF lounge are that spectacular comparing to the Wing and Pier.

I seriously think both QF and BA are pissed at their members using the Wing and Pier in HKG, given they have to maintain the full lounge year round and still have to pay for people to visit the CX lounge.

...at that time you probably didn't know something called "mileage runs" yet?

Yes I did, but I was not too eager to do that. However, I found out that I should - I could not do seat guarantee and ended up paying a K fare for a trip later.

have you actually used a BA F lounge in LHR? they can hardly be described as "substandard". the F lounge in T1 is of an excellent standard - perhaps not quite as good as the Wing, but IMO definitely better than the Pier

Not sure where the comment re having to do it all in one year unlike QF/BA. Under the QF system to hit WP you have to get 1400 SCs in your qualifying year - so if you increase travel mid qualifying year it can take two years of flying to qualify.

MPO is it seems tougher to qualify - I would just about make it this year (160K BIS miles in J/F - it would be close) as opposed to 4xqualify on QF and 2xqualify on AA...

I will still keep enjoying the Wing/Pier and every other lounge I can - and I hope you get to experience other great lounges like the new SYD F lounge.

Interestingly though, if you only fly Y, it is easier to get status on CX than it is on other OW airlines. If you fly J, it is harder to get status on CX compared to other OW airlines.

Using a simplified example of the points required to retain status, I'll compare someone who only flies the HKG-SYD route, comparing QF and CX.

On QF, you require 1200 status points to retain Platinum. On CX you require 120,000 club miles to retain Diamond.

On QF, if you fly J, you will earn 120 status points per HKG-SYD sector, hence you would require 10 one-way sectors to retain your status. On CX, you earn 5,740 club miles, which means 21 one-way sectors, ie double the flying compared to QF.

For discount Y (almost no-one pays full), on QF you will earn 30 status points per sector, hence you require 40 one-way sectors. On CX, you will earn 4,592 club miles, hence you require 27 one-way sectors to retain status.

On the flip side though, not all CX Y fares earn miles - its either 100% of miles, or zero. On QF, you will earn status points on every trip you take.

QF29 to LHR and QF30 to MEL are morning departures, so unlikely to be causing lounge crowding at 11pm as suggest previously.
Absolutely, but still not likely to be enough OneWorld Emeralds onboard a 767 and choosing to use the CX lounge that would be much of a contribution to the lounge crowds.
And the only time QF has multiple concurrent departures from HKG is when QF29 and QF30 overlap for about 20 mins - but the flight to LHR (QF29) is well and truely boarding by the time the flight from LHR (QF30) arrives. So there would need to be a delayed departure or early HKG check-ins for there to be overlapping pax in the lounges.

CX operates 3 times daily from SYD and twice daily from MEL, with the CX F and OneWorld Emerald passengers making use of the nice new FLounges at those ports. Fair exchange I would suggest.
I really don't think there are enough QF Emeralds that are not flying with CX and know they can use the CX lounges to really make any more than a blip on the radar to QF management.

Thanks for that - what a strange system that rewards discount economy over J. That is the good thing about QF for some people - they really heavily reward premium cabin pax.

It is a frustration for me in AA that J doesnt do that much better than B/H and F is the same!

rtwdone4, could you please confirm this info?

It seems to contradict everything I have read about OW lounge access (QF/CX/OW websites) for lowly SL flyers like me!

About to head PER-HKG-JFK and back via YVR on CX, so it would be a pleasant surprise, indeed.