Originally Posted by TomYoung (Post 37225603)

I was looking for a direct flight to PNH but could not find one although I remember seeing up to 10 each week. Has it been deresumed?

Originally Posted by boybi (Post 37224059)

I think majority of passengers won't even know if they're overflying Russia.

Originally Posted by pochi (Post 37223727)

CX lauching 3rd flight to SGN (exist pre-COVID)
CX721/772 4 weekly 32Q

HKG SGN CX721 22:35-00:20+1 1/2/3/5
SGN HKG CX772 07:15-1100 1/3/4/6

Starting from 26 Oct 25

Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37226001)

funnily enough SGN is the one of the only regional routes where CX and UO hasn't aggressively expanded on to demolish foriegn carriers. with UA also in this route, and more vietnam visitors to HK this makes sense.

as for overflying russia, I know MU and CA have a load of transit European passengers, and they fly over russian airspace. i think it wouldn't be a serious issue, but the main problem is CX would lose codesharing with European airlines.

Originally Posted by jonessher (Post 37226005)

MU and CA transit passengers are mostly Y class and price sensitive. CX has to care about J class.

Originally Posted by jonessher (Post 37226005)

MU and CA transit passengers are mostly Y class and price sensitive. CX has to care about J class.

Originally Posted by jonessher (Post 37226005)

MU and CA transit passengers are mostly Y class and price sensitive. CX has to care about J class.

Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37226548)

but CX flies over russia in canada/ US flights, and they have a lot of J pax too. my main guess is that there is no codeshare partner, or the time advantage of flying over russia is less in Europe , not to mention russian airspace is expensive so it makes sense to avoid it on europe flights.

most aviation YouTubers also show no aversion through flying over russia in various flights, or they never noticed in the first place. middle eastern carriers even fly a ton of F and J class through russia. therefore in my opinion, it really is about codeshare and time advantage.

also, if HK- vietnam had traffic limitations, I don't think we would be seeing 3 daily from UO to both DAD and PQC all of a sudden...

Originally Posted by Carfield (Post 37227074)

I am going to add that "insurance" may be part of the calculation, not to mention that there are plenty of Western pilots working for Cathay Pacific.
CX only uses Russian airspace for East Coast flights like Toronto, Boston and New York JFK. Plus Cathay does not codeshare with any Canadian carriers so they don't have that "sauction issues", plus has to remove American codeshare on JFK and BOS flights, due to sanction laws.

I am sure Qatar cannot codeshare with AA and AS on all those flights from Doha to Seattle and West Coast, but Qatar sticks with traditional transatlantic routing for East Coast and Midwest too.

About American back to Hong Kong, I think that's no longer in the plan, especially after CX has resumed flights to DFW. Plus it is a great success that is quickly expanding into a daily flight soon. American is just short of airplanes after their premature retirement of all these 767s and Airbus A330-200/300s during Covid. Not able to fly over Russian Airspace is also an issue, as their 77Ws and 789s possibly need to be payload restricted, unlike CX's Airbus A350-1000. American's experiences with LAX-HKG are also not great and I don't think they want to touch that route anytime soon especially given the current economical and political climate. They are happy with their double daily LAX to Haneda flights now and can just rely on CX and JL on codeshare!

Carfield

Originally Posted by Arbeysix (Post 37227131)

I can't speak with authority on operations matters but suspect there's a difference between skirting far eastern parts of the country to and from Nth America with appropriate diversion ports identified versus flying full length of Russia enroute Europe.

Originally Posted by Carfield (Post 37227074)

I am going to add that "insurance" may be part of the calculation, not to mention that there are plenty of Western pilots working for Cathay Pacific.
CX only uses Russian airspace for East Coast flights like Toronto, Boston and New York JFK. Plus Cathay does not codeshare with any Canadian carriers so they don't have that "sauction issues", plus has to remove American codeshare on JFK and BOS flights, due to sanction laws.

Carfield

Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37226548)

but CX flies over russia in canada/ US flights, and they have a lot of J pax too. my main guess is that there is no codeshare partner, or the time advantage of flying over russia is less in Europe , not to mention russian airspace is expensive so it makes sense to avoid it on europe flights.

Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37226548)

most aviation YouTubers also show no aversion through flying over russia in various flights, or they never noticed in the first place. middle eastern carriers even fly a ton of F and J class through russia. therefore in my opinion, it really is about codeshare and time advantage.

Originally Posted by CX860 (Post 37227248)

Thats a good point. I wonder how they get the insurer comfy with flying over even Siberia. Maybe they aren't "Western" insurers.

I also wonder if they don't schedule "Western" crew on JFK, YYZ, BOS now but I think I had "Western" crew on my JFK recently.



Theres a pretty big difference between Siberia and European Russia which is basically now an active war zone with missiles, drones and anti-missile/drone batteries zipping around. Worse than when MH 17 went down.

I don't love flying over Siberia either but still tolerable. If I held a US passport, I would not even be okay with getting on YYZ, JFK, BOS. You're one diversion away from potentially being in a gluag (and even already in Siberia to boot).



I am not taking safety advice or generally any serious advice from Youtubers (aviation or otherwise) and I don't know anyone who really takes them seriously for who to fly...a lot of them would happily tell you Aeroflot is the safest airline in the world for a quick buck or risk get blown up for some likes...

I mean clearly there are people who happily fly over Russia or indeed even fly to Russia - the ME4 are probably making an absolute killing - but my question is what % of the general public (especially when confronted with a headline like CX flies regularly within [50]km of where MH 17/J2 8243 went down - which is the type of sensationalist headline you would see in the HK local news) or CX's regular/target traffic is willing to do that.

Originally Posted by jonessher (Post 37227259)

for the general public, I dont think there will be serious aversion, especially in the Asian region. But its more of a matter of insurance coverage and company policy.