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MeltingAlf Jul 2, 2025 10:26 am


Originally Posted by jonessher (Post 37178071)
Wonder whether UO will launch BKI and kick AK out of this route too.

Fat hope I'd say. Unlike PEN, BKI is an AK hub. I'll be surprised if the other way doesn't happen (AK kicking UO out if UO dares to join in) on it.

AK literally competes with 4 other carriers on BKI-ICN, and has flights to all three major Greater Bay airports (SZX/HKG/CAN). AK has gotten the HKG/SZX/CAN market segmented properly and I don't see them sitting out of HKG just because UO decides to join.

jonessher Jul 2, 2025 11:52 am


Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37181784)
wonder why you always put a list of mostly unprofitable routes for CX to launch....

CX doesn't have a lot of planes anymore ,and route planning and capacity needs to be smart, this applies to all airlines around the world

and if CX resumes SEA somehow, they are entering a bloodbath market, I still think its unlikely to resume.

agree, CX will better do more MAD, MUC, BRU, or even more FRA. LGW is possible when CX receive more aircrafts.

CX860 Jul 2, 2025 1:51 pm


Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37181784)
wonder why you always put a list of mostly unprofitable routes for CX to launch....

CX doesn't have a lot of planes anymore ,and route planning and capacity needs to be smart, this applies to all airlines around the world

and if CX resumes SEA somehow, they are entering a bloodbath market, I still think its unlikely to resume.

Why do you think VIE would be unprofitable? Yes OS tried and left but it has service from TPE, HND and ICN so its not that exotic for Asia PoS.

NZflyer777 Jul 2, 2025 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by jonessher (Post 37182343)
agree, CX will better do more MAD, MUC, BRU, or even more FRA. LGW is possible when CX receive more aircrafts.

so may s
​​well as well.close this thread till 2028?


wadia13 Jul 2, 2025 2:01 pm


Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37181784)
wonder why you always put a list of mostly unprofitable routes for CX to launch....

CX doesn't have a lot of planes anymore ,and route planning and capacity needs to be smart, this applies to all airlines around the world

and if CX resumes SEA somehow, they are entering a bloodbath market, I still think its unlikely to resume.

Agree, but you think Casablanca would be profitable? See your earlier post #1896.

eclipseer Jul 2, 2025 10:00 pm


Originally Posted by wadia13 (Post 37182577)
Agree, but you think Casablanca would be profitable? See your earlier post #1896.

Not OP but I’d wager CMN is actively discussed.

Post Covid BRI flow is very notable and accelerating. Morocco is one of main FIFA 2030 hosts. Gulf carriers high and growing load factors suggest there’s demand. CZ is signaling they’re also entering. Imo the indicators are there.

jonessher Jul 2, 2025 10:55 pm


Originally Posted by CX860 (Post 37182558)
Why do you think VIE would be unprofitable? Yes OS tried and left but it has service from TPE, HND and ICN so its not that exotic for Asia PoS.

It can be seasonal like Rome.

jonessher Jul 2, 2025 10:56 pm


Originally Posted by eclipseer (Post 37183191)
Not OP but I’d wager CMN is actively discussed.

Post Covid BRI flow is very notable and accelerating. Morocco is one of main FIFA 2030 hosts. Gulf carriers high and growing load factors suggest there’s demand. CZ is signaling they’re also entering. Imo the indicators are there.

CZ could be doing political missions though. PRC airlines even do South America and Mexico now and i question whether those routes are profitable too.

eclipseer Jul 2, 2025 11:23 pm


Originally Posted by jonessher (Post 37183241)
CZ could be doing political missions though. PRC airlines even do South America and Mexico now and i question whether those routes are profitable too.

I agree on the political angle. CX may as well do it to preserve face in addition to the other aforementioned factors.

CX860 Jul 3, 2025 1:19 am


Originally Posted by jonessher (Post 37183240)
It can be seasonal like Rome.

We are all speculating here but I think it wouldn't do any worse than Brussels or even Munich given its better for Eastern Europe. Who knows though.

majorpuppy Jul 3, 2025 1:26 am


Originally Posted by CX860 (Post 37182558)
Why do you think VIE would be unprofitable? Yes OS tried and left but it has service from TPE, HND and ICN so its not that exotic for Asia PoS.

I honestly think VIE is fine, transit traffic would be strong. I mentioned most of the routes the poster mentioned in previous posts are rather unprofitable and don't make a lot of sense, not all of them.

About CMN, I only referenced it as it has been stated many times in this thread, and I believe it has more potential than SEA due to less competition and the airport has barely any Asia flights, a great way to get more passengers. Though I don't see CX launching CMN anytime until 2028 likely.


wadia13 Jul 3, 2025 1:40 am


Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37183372)
I honestly think VIE is fine, transit traffic would be strong. I mentioned most of the routes the poster mentioned in previous posts are rather unprofitable and don't make a lot of sense, not all of them.

As a fun exercise, I tried asking this type of question to a few well-known AI chatbots (most likely new or resumed long haul routes for CX within the next 1-2 years). A few cities in particular consistently top the list in terms of most likely destinations. For example: Vienna, Lisbon, Dublin. All cities discussed in this thread.

CXj3j24 Jul 3, 2025 2:00 am


Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37183372)
I honestly think VIE is fine, transit traffic would be strong. I mentioned most of the routes the poster mentioned in previous posts are rather unprofitable and don't make a lot of sense, not all of them.

About CMN, I only referenced it as it has been stated many times in this thread, and I believe it has more potential than SEA due to less competition and the airport has barely any Asia flights, a great way to get more passengers. Though I don't see CX launching CMN anytime until 2028 likely.

The real issue (of coz my 2 cents) for a VIE direct flight is the potential cannibalisation of ZRH. And ZRH can perfectly handle transit to under 90mins. So is it a big difference arriving in VIE at 7/8am vs 9/10am for most?

BRU is a different story since CX has axed much capacity from AMS and CDG vs prior COVID.

All in all, the biggest issue is shortage of plane, and the need to balance cargo demand.

brunos Jul 3, 2025 6:59 am


Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 37183372)
I honestly think VIE is fine, transit traffic would be strong. I mentioned most of the routes the poster mentioned in previous posts are rather unprofitable and don't make a lot of sense, not all of them.

About CMN, I only referenced it as it has been stated many times in this thread, and I believe it has more potential than SEA due to less competition and the airport has barely any Asia flights, a great way to get more passengers. Though I don't see CX launching CMN anytime until 2028 likely.

CMN already has a dailly EK flight (388). QR has a flight 6 days a week and codeshare with AT on a daily flight. Lots of capacity to Asia. I doubt that CX could compete meaningfully, except for HK people (nonstop)..

MPC Jul 3, 2025 7:11 am


Originally Posted by brunos (Post 37183758)
CMN already has a dailly EK flight (388). QR has a flight 6 days a week and codeshare with AT on a daily flight. Lots of capacity to Asia. I doubt that CX could compete meaningfully, except for HK people (nonstop)..


according to some Cx insider , cx will launch CMN - a one world hub with connection to other places under the same alliance

CX CE once said that they would launch a destination where there is no direct flight flying from hk before - likely CMN


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