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QRC3288 Nov 30, 2024 12:18 am


Originally Posted by majorpuppy (Post 36705422)
I think 77A's are in excess (some are flying without selling first class, and has a higher percentage of old products), while 77K's are very busy at the moment, and they have higher capacity so cathay is doing them first.

I also didn't understand the logic like tfung​​, but your post has made things perfectly clear.

Obviously, they have an excess of 77As than they want across the system and (despite all our wishes they'd sell more F on more destinations) have no intention of selling F to Australia and the other destinations 77A are regularly appearing. ​​​​​​ So CX can gain valuable seat capacity by replacing 77As. A bummer for those of us who desire more F but I get it now.

On a side comment, I have had utterly lovely CX F flights lately to from LAX. Which makes the above paragraph reality even harder to swallow!

cxwaterboy Nov 30, 2024 4:51 am


Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 36705647)
I also didn't understand the logic like tfung​​, but your post has made things perfectly clear.

Obviously, they have an excess of 77As than they want across the system and (despite all our wishes they'd sell more F on more destinations) have no intention of selling F to Australia and the other destinations 77A are regularly appearing. ​​​​​​ So CX can gain valuable seat capacity by replacing 77As. A bummer for those of us who desire more F but I get it now.

On a side comment, I have had utterly lovely CX F flights lately to from LAX. Which makes the above paragraph reality even harder to swallow!


Selfishly speaking, getting rid of the 77A so early would mean fewer chances of selecting F seats with a J ticket when they don't sell F. This is probably the best-unwritten benefit outside of extra redemption inventory and the now-gutted unlimited reservation guarantee.

For LH, it's only LHR/LAX/JFK right? It does make sense to get rid of a few 77As.

brunos Nov 30, 2024 6:57 am

Obviously the delays on 77X have destroyed the good planning of CX F. CX has to move on and the plan to retrofit the 77A makes sense as they are old planes.

However, it is hard to be regarded as a top premium airline without an F product. Having a single daily flight with F to LHR, JFK, LAX does not do the trick.
CX won't have a significant number of 77X with F until 2027 or 2028. Maybe they are considering removing F altogether on these new planes.

GE90-115B Nov 30, 2024 7:51 am


Originally Posted by brunos (Post 36705988)
Obviously the delays on 77X have destroyed the good planning of CX F. CX has to move on and the plan to retrofit the 77A makes sense as they are old planes.

However, it is hard to be regarded as a top premium airline without an F product. Having a single daily flight with F to LHR, JFK, LAX does not do the trick.
CX won't have a significant number of 77X with F until 2027 or 2028. Maybe they are considering removing F altogether on these new planes.

MXP is another traditional F destination that is regularly scheduled with a 77A and yet F isn't sold.

I don't know whether CX's lack of commitment to offering F or low utilization of 77A frames in general are down to something in the numbers that CX management are seeing. Or if they intend to just wait it out until the 77X's start being delivered. Either way it is quite a massive PR disaster for there to be F lounges all over CX's network but little to no flights with F.

gavinchan180 Nov 30, 2024 8:22 am


Originally Posted by GE90-115B (Post 36706062)
MXP is another traditional F destination that is regularly scheduled with a 77A and yet F isn't sold.

I don't know whether CX's lack of commitment to offering F or low utilization of 77A frames in general are down to something in the numbers that CX management are seeing. Or if they intend to just wait it out until the 77X's start being delivered. Either way it is quite a massive PR disaster for there to be F lounges all over CX's network but little to no flights with F.

they will pause the Aria suite retrofit when there are enough aircrafts to maintain the core network of first class seats until the first 777X delivered.

cxwaterboy Nov 30, 2024 8:53 am


Originally Posted by GE90-115B (Post 36706062)
Either way it is quite a massive PR disaster for there to be F lounges all over CX's network but little to no flights with F.

For now it's only LHR and HKG with F lounges. PEK and JFK are both F routes as well


tfung Dec 1, 2024 6:53 am


Originally Posted by gavinchan180 (Post 36706120)
they will pause the Aria suite retrofit when there are enough aircrafts to maintain the core network of first class seats until the first 777X delivered.

Are you sure? I heard from various sources that come summer next year, the number of destinations with F will decrease down to just LHR and LAX... Also looking on EF, it seems they have already removed 77w from HND rotation from April onwards.. Hope its just a placeholder right now until summer schedule is set, but that use to be a pretty reliable F destination.. :(

flyingkel Dec 1, 2024 8:50 am


Originally Posted by tfung (Post 36707710)
Are you sure? I heard from various sources that come summer next year, the number of destinations with F will decrease down to just LHR and LAX... Also looking on EF, it seems they have already removed 77w from HND rotation from April onwards.. Hope its just a placeholder right now until summer schedule is set, but that use to be a pretty reliable F destination.. :(

I will be shocked if they dont’t keep JFK:(

cxwaterboy Dec 1, 2024 9:02 am


Originally Posted by tfung (Post 36707710)
Are you sure? I heard from various sources that come summer next year, the number of destinations with F will decrease down to just LHR and LAX... Also looking on EF, it seems they have already removed 77w from HND rotation from April onwards.. Hope its just a placeholder right now until summer schedule is set, but that use to be a pretty reliable F destination.. :(

Effectively making the 1600 coupons useless

tfung Dec 1, 2024 5:50 pm


Originally Posted by cxwaterboy (Post 36707899)
Effectively making the 1600 coupons useless

I know plenty of people who use them to upgrade from PE to J...

epigram Dec 3, 2024 7:51 pm

Got lucky and flying Aria with my party of 6. During check in was told one of the seats had to be changed because the seat could not recline. On board, 3 moveable table tops would not stay shut (50% failure rate of small sample)
​​​​​​Teething QC problems. Hopefully will be fixed as it rolls out

Extra: door doesn't close completely. There is a small 1 inch gap

Wireless charging starts but stops. Not reliable

Headphones socket has too much give (panel deforms when pushing plug in) leaving a gap and some audio crackling / non stereo problems

deepbluetee Dec 4, 2024 12:31 pm

I have a dilemma. I'm flying LHR/HKG/LHR business class at the end of Feb 25. Do I book A350 now (which is nicer than 777 without Aria), do I book 777 now hoping it gets switched to Aria, or do I wait a bit longer and hope prices don't go up?

traveler18 Dec 4, 2024 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by tfung (Post 36707710)
Are you sure? I heard from various sources that come summer next year, the number of destinations with F will decrease down to just LHR and LAX... Also looking on EF, it seems they have already removed 77w from HND rotation from April onwards.. Hope its just a placeholder right now until summer schedule is set, but that use to be a pretty reliable F destination.. :(

I was looking to book F next early June from LAX and looks all flights are on A350, no F

QRC3288 Dec 4, 2024 5:38 pm


Originally Posted by traveler18 (Post 36715926)
I was looking to book F next early June from LAX and looks all flights are on A350, no F

Oh man I hope this is just a scheduling thing and not reality

jagmeets Dec 4, 2024 7:25 pm

JFK,830/1 has F loaded till 10/25.


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