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Originally Posted by traveler18
(Post 36715926)
I was looking to book F next early June from LAX and looks all flights are on A350, no F
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Originally Posted by gavinchan180
(Post 36704811)
B-KQH will return to service with Aria by December and B-KPE will return to service with Aria by January.
Upcoming in Dec B-KPF (I guess any day now before 31Dec? lol), and in Jan B-KQH |
Originally Posted by Sozee
(Post 36737743)
Again I don't know where he gets this, but at least he's right on both being 77A :p
Upcoming in Dec B-KPF (I guess any day now before 31Dec? lol), and in Jan B-KQH |
Originally Posted by mcmc3
(Post 36739181)
Why are all of these 77As? They said they would convert 77Ks first
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Originally Posted by mcmc3
(Post 36739181)
Why are all of these 77As? They said they would convert 77Ks first
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Does anyone have any input as to why Cathay seems to prioritize LHR over its key US destinations? Many other asian carriers in the area (EVA, China Airlines, JL, NH, KE, OZ) all see US destinations, specifically LAX/JFK as flagship routes. What makes Cathay prioritize London? It's annoying because I'm in the U.S. and thought LAX/SFO/JFK were early shoe-ins for long-haul aria
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Originally Posted by ericyihengji
(Post 36758907)
Does anyone have any input as to why Cathay seems to prioritize LHR over its key US destinations? Many other asian carriers in the area (EVA, China Airlines, JL, NH, KE, OZ) all see US destinations, specifically LAX/JFK as flagship routes. What makes Cathay prioritize London? It's annoying because I'm in the U.S. and thought LAX/SFO/JFK were early shoe-ins for long-haul aria
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Originally Posted by ericyihengji
(Post 36758907)
Does anyone have any input as to why Cathay seems to prioritize LHR over its key US destinations? Many other asian carriers in the area (EVA, China Airlines, JL, NH, KE, OZ) all see US destinations, specifically LAX/JFK as flagship routes. What makes Cathay prioritize London? It's annoying because I'm in the U.S. and thought LAX/SFO/JFK were early shoe-ins for long-haul aria
As to why LHR needs 5 daily, I have no idea but the flights are always full. |
When Cathay Pacific started, Hong Kong was a British colony. Flying in and out of London was bread and butter, given the large movement of English business, tourist and government flyers plus mail/cargo. Hence the historical high capacity links to LHR. Old habits die hard...
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Originally Posted by ericyihengji
(Post 36758907)
Does anyone have any input as to why Cathay seems to prioritize LHR over its key US destinations? Many other asian carriers in the area (EVA, China Airlines, JL, NH, KE, OZ) all see US destinations, specifically LAX/JFK as flagship routes. What makes Cathay prioritize London? It's annoying because I'm in the U.S. and thought LAX/SFO/JFK were early shoe-ins for long-haul aria
That being said, out of the 3 long haul ports with First Class, 2 of them are in the US (JFK, LAX), so I would say CX still valued its US routes. |
Originally Posted by ericyihengji
(Post 36758907)
Does anyone have any input as to why Cathay seems to prioritize LHR over its key US destinations? Many other asian carriers in the area (EVA, China Airlines, JL, NH, KE, OZ) all see US destinations, specifically LAX/JFK as flagship routes. What makes Cathay prioritize London? It's annoying because I'm in the U.S. and thought LAX/SFO/JFK were early shoe-ins for long-haul aria
Airlines fly the planes that make financial sense to each destination within the context of the broader network, fleet considerations, cargo, crew, distance, fleet mix, seasonality, and all sorts of other factors. The idea that certain planes are perhaps flown for prestige reasons (which I'm aware is not always what people mean by "flagship", this vague term that it is, but it often is related I think), is far more grand myth than reality. The airline industry is brutally tough as it stands without flying the wrong plane to the wrong market.
Originally Posted by cxwaterboy
(Post 36758930)
It’s 5 daily, most of any long haul route.
As to why LHR needs 5 daily, I have no idea but the flights are always full. I will add one other point: Virgin Atlantic no longer serves HKG, BA reduced capacity already (a388 + 77W/2 to either b772 +b789 or b788 + b789), and BA has further reduced capacity in the schedule to just one daily frequency. Now compare to SFO and LAX, for example. United flies both routes 2x daily (SFO gets double daily 77W, LAX B789), and Cathay is soon returning to 3x daily for both markets. So each of LAX and SFO will be going from 3-4x daily to 5x daily. (And LAX and SFO aren't too far apart, travelers commonly fly into one and out of the other, meaning 10x dailies to HKG alone to the California West Coast). Meanwhile, LHR is going from 7x daily to 6x daily as BA cuts their second daily. To reiterate, capacity is actually decreasing in the LHR market! If I were a bean counter at CX that's be a route I'd take a hard look at for further capturing yield and maybe adding capacity. It's just not crazy to think CX would be wise, if the numbers hold up, to press on with premium services to LHR and perhaps even add premium capacity considering the decline of the British airlines servicing HKG lately. And dare I say CX could do it with, drumroll, swapping some flights to 77J (the Aria product!). They could add capacity without worrying about LHR slots or returning to LGW, which is a more complex consideration than LHR given the lower yields. As another point, not the biggest but one nonetheless, EK did a reasonable business sending passengers to London and from HKG as a connecting carrier and they're still not back to pre-Covid capacity in HKG. LH is still behind pre covid, and AF downsized their plane to a smaller a350 which regrettably doesn't carry F class. CX is in a great position flying to LHR and I can't fault them for trying to max it out here. |
Originally Posted by QRC3288
(Post 36759114)
The term "flagship" has to be one of the most bizarre, meaningless, overused words in the mileage community!
Airlines fly the planes that make financial sense to each destination within the context of the broader network, fleet considerations, cargo, crew, distance, fleet mix, seasonality, and all sorts of other factors. The idea that certain planes are perhaps flown for prestige reasons (which I'm aware is not always what people mean by "flagship", this vague term that it is, but it often is related I think), is far more grand myth than reality. The airline industry is brutally tough as it stands without flying the wrong plane to the wrong market. My bold. That's a pretty good reason right there! I will add one other point: Virgin Atlantic no longer serves HKG, BA reduced capacity already (a388 + 77W/2 to either b772 +b789 or b788 + b789), and BA has further reduced capacity in the schedule to just one daily frequency. Now compare to SFO and LAX, for example. United flies both routes 2x daily (SFO gets double daily 77W, LAX B789), and Cathay is soon returning to 3x daily for both markets. So each of LAX and SFO will be going from 3-4x daily to 5x daily. (And LAX and SFO aren't too far apart, travelers commonly fly into one and out of the other, meaning 10x dailies to HKG alone to the California West Coast). Meanwhile, LHR is going from 7x daily to 6x daily as BA cuts their second daily. To reiterate, capacity is actually decreasing in the LHR market! If I were a bean counter at CX that's be a route I'd take a hard look at for further capturing yield and maybe adding capacity. It's just not crazy to think CX would be wise, if the numbers hold up, to press on with premium services to LHR and perhaps even add premium capacity considering the decline of the British airlines servicing HKG lately. And dare I say CX could do it with, drumroll, swapping some flights to 77J (the Aria product!). They could add capacity without worrying about LHR slots or returning to LGW, which is a more complex consideration than LHR given the lower yields. As another point, not the biggest but one nonetheless, EK did a reasonable business sending passengers to London and from HKG as a connecting carrier and they're still not back to pre-Covid capacity in HKG. LH is still behind pre covid, and AF downsized their plane to a smaller a350 which regrettably doesn't carry F class. CX is in a great position flying to LHR and I can't fault them for trying to max it out here.
Originally Posted by ericyihengji
(Post 36758907)
Does anyone have any input as to why Cathay seems to prioritize LHR over its key US destinations? Many other asian carriers in the area (EVA, China Airlines, JL, NH, KE, OZ) all see US destinations, specifically LAX/JFK as flagship routes. What makes Cathay prioritize London? It's annoying because I'm in the U.S. and thought LAX/SFO/JFK were early shoe-ins for long-haul aria
In addition KR / JP has a strong O/D requirement to N.A than transfers. I suppose it’s quite different from the market factor compared to HK. |
Just saw on Aeroroutes that the 77J will still be operating CX520/521 until at least Jan 21. Was hoping it would be used to LHR in January as either CX255 or CX237 but I guess not.
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/241223-cxjan2577w |
Originally Posted by KhemaneyBoy
(Post 36759226)
Just saw on Aeroroutes that the 77J will still be operating CX520/521 until at least Jan 21. Was hoping it would be used to LHR in January as either CX255 or CX237 but I guess not.
https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/241223-cxjan2577w |
Whatever they’ve been doing, it’s safe to say that it’s disappointing. 3+ months and we still only have 1 aircraft with many seat issues. :)
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