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NOTE: Discussion here is for the Boeing 777-200ERs refitted with the Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite (forward and aft facing seats) only.
See the (unofficial) American Fleet Site list for configuration by registration numbers here.
Forward facing seats are overlooked by rear facing occupants across the aisle
Forward facing seats have one armrest (aisle side of seat)
Rear facing seats do not have armrests leading to a "bathtub" effect
Rear facing seats are preferred by many fliers for greater shoulder space
Forward facing seats require use of a shoulder strap in addition to the seat lap belt during takeoff and landing operations
Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours.
Seats 7A and 7L have restricted views (window blank)
Seats 1A, 1D, 1H, 7A, 7L, 10A, and 10L are not coupled to neighbouring seats and are reported to be less susceptible to "rocking" and "knocking"
Seats 10D and 10H are overlooked by occupants in 13B and 13J respectively.
Seats 5A and 6L are overlooked by galley occupants
Seats 10A and 10L are close to Premium Economy bassinets
Cabin overhead storage bins are capacious and when closed give the aircraft a more open, spacious feel.
In-suite storage is minimal, consisting of a niche with "fence" capable of holding a mobile phone connected to one of the two USB ports and a small area below seat level capable of holding a water bottle and small item. (two 110V AC with a "universal" plug socket is also provided.)
The area under the footrest (too small to be called an ottoman) might be able to store a purse or small item.
General fit and finish has been described as fair at best, with some gaps, misfits, etc.
IFE is AVOD and operates from a hand control. The spacious screen is hinged and can not be tilted vertically.
WiFi is Panasonic satellite international WiFi
Bang & Olufsen noise reducing headsets are provided in Business Class; these are retrieved by crew about an hour prior to landing.
A self-service snack bar is set up in the galley for Business class.
Lavatories seem more open and spacious, and offer higher volume sink basins.
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See the (unofficial) American Fleet Site list for configuration by registration numbers here.
Forward facing seats are overlooked by rear facing occupants across the aisle
Forward facing seats have one armrest (aisle side of seat)
Rear facing seats do not have armrests leading to a "bathtub" effect
Rear facing seats are preferred by many fliers for greater shoulder space
Forward facing seats require use of a shoulder strap in addition to the seat lap belt during takeoff and landing operations
Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours.
Seats 7A and 7L have restricted views (window blank)
Seats 1A, 1D, 1H, 7A, 7L, 10A, and 10L are not coupled to neighbouring seats and are reported to be less susceptible to "rocking" and "knocking"
Seats 10D and 10H are overlooked by occupants in 13B and 13J respectively.
Seats 5A and 6L are overlooked by galley occupants
Seats 10A and 10L are close to Premium Economy bassinets
Cabin overhead storage bins are capacious and when closed give the aircraft a more open, spacious feel.
In-suite storage is minimal, consisting of a niche with "fence" capable of holding a mobile phone connected to one of the two USB ports and a small area below seat level capable of holding a water bottle and small item. (two 110V AC with a "universal" plug socket is also provided.)
The area under the footrest (too small to be called an ottoman) might be able to store a purse or small item.
General fit and finish has been described as fair at best, with some gaps, misfits, etc.
IFE is AVOD and operates from a hand control. The spacious screen is hinged and can not be tilted vertically.
WiFi is Panasonic satellite international WiFi
Bang & Olufsen noise reducing headsets are provided in Business Class; these are retrieved by crew about an hour prior to landing.
A self-service snack bar is set up in the galley for Business class.
Lavatories seem more open and spacious, and offer higher volume sink basins.
Related threads
Aircraft guide: Which 777-200ER / 772 / 777? (As of 11 Dec 2018)
772 Refitted 777-200ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats
Best 772 Zodiac J Refitted 777-200ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Best 772 B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200ER MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
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What was the cause for Zodiac's incompetence that got AA to fire them?
Zodiac has been building airline seats for a while, so they're no rookies at this game.
How did things go so wrong that they couldn't produce the seats AA ordered? After delivering the first few seats, what caused them to not be able to ramp up production for the remaining seats?
How did things go so wrong that they couldn't produce the seats AA ordered? After delivering the first few seats, what caused them to not be able to ramp up production for the remaining seats?
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Zodiac has been building airline seats for a while, so they're no rookies at this game.
How did things go so wrong that they couldn't produce the seats AA ordered? After delivering the first few seats, what caused them to not be able to ramp up production for the remaining seats?
How did things go so wrong that they couldn't produce the seats AA ordered? After delivering the first few seats, what caused them to not be able to ramp up production for the remaining seats?
However, AA hasn't been the only airline who's had issues with Zodiac. EY and BA have also had to store 787-9s in order to wait for installation of the premium cabins. Its also not just Boeing who has had issues with Zodiac. Airbus has been quite frustrated with the slow deliveries of the A350-900 due to lack of lavatory parts. CX only received their first A350 a few days ago when they should have received in back in February.
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Because they built a custom designed seat for AA. This seat was originally going to be installed on the 77W but delays led to the current seat. Management got so fed up with delays and decided it was necessary to move on. The delays got to the point where Boeing basically told AA accept the 787-9 delivery on time or else. (Boeing had to store a few of AA's 787-8s due to the manufacturing delays from Zodiac. Its also why the first two weren't delivered in late 2014 and delivered in January/February 2015.) AA has already filed a lawsuit against Zodiac for their incessant delays. In hindsight, AA probably would have used the B/E SuperDiamond on all of their 772/77W/788/789/A350 fleet for consistency as B/E Aerospace would have been able to meet AA's demands.
However, AA hasn't been the only airline who's had issues with Zodiac. EY and BA have also had to store 787-9s in order to wait for installation of the premium cabins. Its also not just Boeing who has had issues with Zodiac. Airbus has been quite frustrated with the slow deliveries of the A350-900 due to lack of lavatory parts. CX only received their first A350 a few days ago when they should have received in back in February.
However, AA hasn't been the only airline who's had issues with Zodiac. EY and BA have also had to store 787-9s in order to wait for installation of the premium cabins. Its also not just Boeing who has had issues with Zodiac. Airbus has been quite frustrated with the slow deliveries of the A350-900 due to lack of lavatory parts. CX only received their first A350 a few days ago when they should have received in back in February.
Seems like a lot of these problems are stuff you'd expect from a rookie, not someone who's been in the game for a while.
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Basing on the photo in this post, the seat looks exactly the same like Taiwan based China Airlines Business Class on 77W (and soon 359).
Also similar to Air Canada's new 787 business class.
Basing on the photo in this post, the seat looks exactly the same like Taiwan based China Airlines Business Class on 77W (and soon 359).
Also similar to Air Canada's new 787 business class.
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Whatever the case, both the new AA SuperDiamond and the AA/CX Cirrus are much better than the new United seat. The new United seat is basically a truncated-version of the Cirrus seat in a layout that seems even denser than AA's Concept D seat.
From the looks off it, it may have the same issues with structural stability (i.e., the shaking problem) and uniformity as AA's Concept D seat had. Plus, the United seat also makes compromises with armrests, footwells, the exposed mechanism of the tray table (ouch!), and sight lines. On aesthetics, the transparent, blue plastic trim piece at the top of the new United seat, the hanging panel used to conceal the screen on some seats, and the concrete grey headrest are just bad design or in bad taste.