Aug 17, 2015, 9:59 am
Last edit by: WindowSeatFlyer
NOTE: Discussion here is for the Boeing 777-200ERs refitted with the Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite (forward and aft facing seats) only.
See the (unofficial) American Fleet Site list for configuration by registration numbers here.
Forward facing seats are overlooked by rear facing occupants across the aisle
Forward facing seats have one armrest (aisle side of seat)
Rear facing seats do not have armrests leading to a "bathtub" effect
Rear facing seats are preferred by many fliers for greater shoulder space
Forward facing seats require use of a shoulder strap in addition to the seat lap belt during takeoff and landing operations
Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours.
Seats 7A and 7L have restricted views (window blank)
Seats 1A, 1D, 1H, 7A, 7L, 10A, and 10L are not coupled to neighbouring seats and are reported to be less susceptible to "rocking" and "knocking"
Seats 10D and 10H are overlooked by occupants in 13B and 13J respectively.
Seats 5A and 6L are overlooked by galley occupants
Seats 10A and 10L are close to Premium Economy bassinets
Cabin overhead storage bins are capacious and when closed give the aircraft a more open, spacious feel.
In-suite storage is minimal, consisting of a niche with "fence" capable of holding a mobile phone connected to one of the two USB ports and a small area below seat level capable of holding a water bottle and small item. (two 110V AC with a "universal" plug socket is also provided.)
The area under the footrest (too small to be called an ottoman) might be able to store a purse or small item.
General fit and finish has been described as fair at best, with some gaps, misfits, etc.
IFE is AVOD and operates from a hand control. The spacious screen is hinged and can not be tilted vertically.
WiFi is Panasonic satellite international WiFi
Bang & Olufsen noise reducing headsets are provided in Business Class; these are retrieved by crew about an hour prior to landing.
A self-service snack bar is set up in the galley for Business class.
Lavatories seem more open and spacious, and offer higher volume sink basins.
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See the (unofficial) American Fleet Site list for configuration by registration numbers here.
Forward facing seats are overlooked by rear facing occupants across the aisle
Forward facing seats have one armrest (aisle side of seat)
Rear facing seats do not have armrests leading to a "bathtub" effect
Rear facing seats are preferred by many fliers for greater shoulder space
Forward facing seats require use of a shoulder strap in addition to the seat lap belt during takeoff and landing operations
Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours.
Seats 7A and 7L have restricted views (window blank)
Seats 1A, 1D, 1H, 7A, 7L, 10A, and 10L are not coupled to neighbouring seats and are reported to be less susceptible to "rocking" and "knocking"
Seats 10D and 10H are overlooked by occupants in 13B and 13J respectively.
Seats 5A and 6L are overlooked by galley occupants
Seats 10A and 10L are close to Premium Economy bassinets
Cabin overhead storage bins are capacious and when closed give the aircraft a more open, spacious feel.
In-suite storage is minimal, consisting of a niche with "fence" capable of holding a mobile phone connected to one of the two USB ports and a small area below seat level capable of holding a water bottle and small item. (two 110V AC with a "universal" plug socket is also provided.)
The area under the footrest (too small to be called an ottoman) might be able to store a purse or small item.
General fit and finish has been described as fair at best, with some gaps, misfits, etc.
IFE is AVOD and operates from a hand control. The spacious screen is hinged and can not be tilted vertically.
WiFi is Panasonic satellite international WiFi
Bang & Olufsen noise reducing headsets are provided in Business Class; these are retrieved by crew about an hour prior to landing.
A self-service snack bar is set up in the galley for Business class.
Lavatories seem more open and spacious, and offer higher volume sink basins.
Related threads
Aircraft guide: Which 777-200ER / 772 / 777? (As of 11 Dec 2018)
772 Refitted 777-200ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats
Best 772 Zodiac J Refitted 777-200ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Best 772 B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200ER MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
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Mar 31, 2016, 9:37 am
#136
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Hi pH, very few 772s have been updated at this time. It is much more likely a 772 flight will be the older version. However, most of the updated 772s seem to be based in MIA so your flight has somewhat better odds of getting the new version.
Mar 31, 2016, 10:05 am
#137
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FTers - appreciate your thoughts on this.
My wife and I + our toddler son (~2.5 years at time of travel) will be flying EZE-JFK on AA 954 (772 - new business class). I'm having a hard time figuring out the best 3 seats for us given all the conflicting reports out here regarding front vs rear facing, divider up or down, whether divider fixed or movable...
Wondering which is the better option and whether forward or rear cabin:
Option 1:
Two forward facing center + one window across the aisle (what we currently have - 9A, 9D, 9H))
Option 2:
Two rear facing center + one window across the aisle (e.g. 8A, 8D, 8H)
Option 3:
One window + one forward facing center + one rear facing center (e.g. 9A, 8D, 9D / or 1H, 2H, 1L)
Thank you for your help. Life is different since becoming a parent!
My wife and I + our toddler son (~2.5 years at time of travel) will be flying EZE-JFK on AA 954 (772 - new business class). I'm having a hard time figuring out the best 3 seats for us given all the conflicting reports out here regarding front vs rear facing, divider up or down, whether divider fixed or movable...
Wondering which is the better option and whether forward or rear cabin:
Option 1:
Two forward facing center + one window across the aisle (what we currently have - 9A, 9D, 9H))
Option 2:
Two rear facing center + one window across the aisle (e.g. 8A, 8D, 8H)
Option 3:
One window + one forward facing center + one rear facing center (e.g. 9A, 8D, 9D / or 1H, 2H, 1L)
Thank you for your help. Life is different since becoming a parent!
Hope this helps.
Mar 31, 2016, 2:59 pm
#138
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So I'm flying on the 772 next week, and currently have seat 7L - when looking at seatguru, it doesn't seem like you can "see" 7 H, as the two seats are facing in opposite directions. Is this actually the case? I chose 7L as I don't want to experience the movement of the seat, and I was tol that this was a stand alone seat.
Mar 31, 2016, 4:55 pm
#139
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So I'm flying on the 772 next week, and currently have seat 7L - when looking at seatguru, it doesn't seem like you can "see" 7 H, as the two seats are facing in opposite directions. Is this actually the case? I chose 7L as I don't want to experience the movement of the seat, and I was tol that this was a stand alone seat.
Apr 1, 2016, 4:11 am
#140
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Thanks for the response ... I've just heard conflicting info on 7L between FT and Seatguru, but I think I'll trust your judgement. People on Seatguru complained of smell from the Lavs, constant foot traffic, a slamming cabinet connected to the seat and staring at 7H ... all of that had me a bit worried, ha.
Apr 1, 2016, 4:56 am
#141
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Location: NYC
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Thanks for the response ... I've just heard conflicting info on 7L between FT and Seatguru, but I think I'll trust your judgement. People on Seatguru complained of smell from the Lavs, constant foot traffic, a slamming cabinet connected to the seat and staring at 7H ... all of that had me a bit worried, ha.
Apr 5, 2016, 11:11 am
#143
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Shoulder Space Question
Do the forward or reverse facing seats differ in shoulder space? I have wide shoulders and like to toss and turn! I've picked 7A as its not connected to another seat. I'm mostly concerned with shoulder space with when lying flat, thanks!
Apr 5, 2016, 5:25 pm
#144
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As an FYI, it will probably feel tight but would be worse in the forward facing seats.
Apr 5, 2016, 6:20 pm
#145
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Seat map for the "Low J" C37/Y252 configuration:
Currently only aircraft 7AP (N783AN) is configured this way and the full seat map doesn't seem to be available anywhere else online, unless you try to book a flight scheduled to be operated by this (so far) one-off aircraft.
Currently only aircraft 7AP (N783AN) is configured this way and the full seat map doesn't seem to be available anywhere else online, unless you try to book a flight scheduled to be operated by this (so far) one-off aircraft.
Last edited by ThreeJulietTango; Apr 7, 2016 at 12:28 am Reason: Slightly revised seat map, corrected tail number
Apr 6, 2016, 5:54 am
#146
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Front facing have more shoulder room - so 12a or L would work...rear facing are tight.
Apr 6, 2016, 9:17 am
#147
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I just sat in 7L (pretty much the same seat at 7A), and didn't experience the rocking issue at all. The seat feels very private - I didn't feel like I was staring at the person in 7H, although she oddly kept staring at me... Still, I don't really understand the complaints about the setup - is the 77W better? Probably. But the 772 is still better than UA and DL international J, IMO.
Apr 9, 2016, 8:30 pm
#150
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Hi All,
Long time lurker here.
I booked an american airlines flight from BCN-MIA (AA113) on ba.com. At the time the aircraft was the old 777 and so I chose seats 11H and 11J.
The aircraft was subsequently changed to the low J version and I was able to get an aa agent to change the seats to 3H, 3L.
Recently the aircraft has reverted to the old 777 and this is the scenario:
1. I can see 3H, 3L on aa.com
2. The AA agents are seeing no seat assignments.
3. I see no seat assignment on ba.com
4. The BA agents are seeing 11H, 11J
What are my chances of ending up in the first cabin? If there is a chance, how should I approach this dilemma?
Thanks!
Long time lurker here.
I booked an american airlines flight from BCN-MIA (AA113) on ba.com. At the time the aircraft was the old 777 and so I chose seats 11H and 11J.
The aircraft was subsequently changed to the low J version and I was able to get an aa agent to change the seats to 3H, 3L.
Recently the aircraft has reverted to the old 777 and this is the scenario:
1. I can see 3H, 3L on aa.com
2. The AA agents are seeing no seat assignments.
3. I see no seat assignment on ba.com
4. The BA agents are seeing 11H, 11J
What are my chances of ending up in the first cabin? If there is a chance, how should I approach this dilemma?
Thanks!