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FWAAA post 382: In the 10-K filed on February 20, 2013, AA confirmed that it now has ordered a total of 20 77W; two delivered in 2012, eight more in 2013, six more in 2014 and two each in 2015 and 2016 for a total of 20:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....5fUEFHRSZleHA9

16 total 77Ws by the end of next year plus at least four more after that.

Scheduling information: AA 777-300ER / 77W Schedule, Routes (consolidated)

777 family range (Boeing)

Both of AA's 777s are -ER (Extended Range) models, the common 777-223ER and new 777-323ER. Not much range difference, but significant capacity difference. No 200-LRs (Long Range, AKA "Worldliner",) in the future at this time.

777-300ER:

N717AN 7LA
N718AN 7LB
N719AN 7LC
N720AN 7LD
N721AN 7LE
N722AN 7LF
N723AN 7LG
N724AN 7LH
N725AN 7LJ
N726AN 7LK
N727AN 7LL

Updated from planespotters.net:

N728AN 7LM
N729AN 7LN
N730AN 7LP
N731AN 7LR
N732AN 7LS
N733AR 7LT

Based on this data there are 17 77Ws in service Oct 2015.

AA Boeing 777-300ER / 77W orders, 20 orders + deliveries confirmed as of 2013

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Jan 19, 2011, 4:07 pm

#181

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FWAAA

"Metal neutrality" is like "low cost carrier." Neither term really refers to the passengers' perspective - they refer to the airlines' perspective.

I don't care about what you call it. hillrider assertion was that "if needed the 2 77Ws could be put in a metal-neutral market in rotation with another partner's 77Ws" - I don't care what shape the tin box is on the outside, nor do I care whose livery it carries, but until they offer a comparable product (ie classes, seat, catering & service) on the inside this is a no-starter for me, and I'm sure for quite a number of other passengers.

Sometimes airlines forget they're a service business that carries customers, but then we all suspected JBA's were an excuse to cut choice and increase prices, didn't we?

Jan 19, 2011, 4:19 pm

#182

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sts603

I doubt it - given the cost to CX of opening a new station.

DFW-HKG seems more likely if you ask me.

DFW-HKG will be really nice

Jan 19, 2011, 4:20 pm

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For the slightly confused, is this “metal neutrality” something like this?

Hypothetical LIT-NRT schedule, all departing LIT at same time each day:

Su AA 1234/JL5678 – AA 777-300ER offering F/C/Y product
M JL1234/AA5678 – JL 777-300ER offering F/C/W/Y product
Tu AA 1234/JL5678 – AA 777-300ER offering F/C/Y product
W JL1234/AA5678 – JL 777-300ER offering F/C/W/Y product
Th AA 1234/JL5678 – AA 777-300ER offering F/C/Y product
F JL1234/AA5678 – JL 777-300ER offering F/C/W/Y product
Sa AA 1234/JL5678 – AA 777-300ER offering F/C/Y product

Jan 19, 2011, 4:25 pm

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I listened to the earnings call this morning. An interesting point I heard is that our management was rather clear on the issue of whether there would have to be acquisence from the APA to fly the 773ER. They said they felt they did. But this could have been a clever distinction, as flying a type is not quite the same as flying a super-long haul in any type, an issue we are all aware has reared its head in the past.

Jan 19, 2011, 4:27 pm

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Originally Posted by kebosabi

I think that's what is being suggested, but why do I care that both AA & JL are operating -300ER's? I care about 'W' and it matters nothing to me whether one operates A318's and the other 744's (assuming no extra fuel stops of course!) provided they both offer the same product. If they don't then so far as I'm concerned there's nothing to gain from this kind of service - "metal neutrality" is a marketing trick.

Jan 19, 2011, 4:31 pm

#186

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Maybe AA is going to lease the planes to CX or JL.
AA may have received a more favorbale cost and availability than
their partners and can make more $ by leasing them.

Jan 19, 2011, 4:31 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FoothillFlyer

....An interesting point I heard is that our management was rather clear on the issue of whether there would have to be acquisence from the APA to fly the 773ER. They said they felt they did.

From The Dallas Morning News:

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Another notable part of the announcement is that American included a quote from Dave Bates, president of the Allied Pilots Association.

"We hope that this positive step for our airline signals the beginning of a period of domestic and global expansion which will allow our airline to aggressively compete and prosper in the years to come," Bates said in the press release.

This idea of the airline and the union working together is significant. In 2006, American and the pilots' union couldn't come to terms on extending the duty day for pilots to allow for the long trip between Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport and Beijing.

My 0.02 cents on the route: SFO-SYD.

Jan 19, 2011, 4:59 pm

#188

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hillrider

AA is immunized or pending immunization with BA, JL and QF, all of which have 777-300ERs in their fleet. Therefore if needed the 2 77Ws could be put in a metal-neutral market in rotation with another partner's 77Ws, e.g. the same schedule is being operated on (roughly) alternate days with alternate metal 77Ws.
?

Qantas does not have a single 777 in their fleet or on order.

Jan 19, 2011, 5:01 pm

#189

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Microwave

Anyone who's been on 772 routes that consistently fill up could suggest other potential routes.

DFW-FRA, ORD-LHR, JFK-LHR (especially with the reduced AA capacity starting in April), possibly flights into NRT or PEK... It's all speculation, but I think we've all been on 772s elbow-to-elbow.

AA could squeeze some more capacity out of their 772s, cut the F cabin down to 8 seats, make the pilot rest 2 J seats instead, move two rows of J into the back half of the F cabin, and add 3-4 rows of Y for about 30 more seats.

Jan 19, 2011, 5:29 pm

#190

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Originally Posted by MAH4546

As for routes, three new routes that aren't possible with the 772:

MIA-NRT
MIA-JNB-CPT-MIA
ORD-BOM

I thought that the difference in range between the 772ER and the 773ER is only about 200 miles. Is it enough to make the difference on these routes?

Jan 19, 2011, 5:57 pm

#191

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gamecock

My 0.02 cents on the route: SFO-SYD.

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Jan 19, 2011, 6:24 pm

#192

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 3Cforme

There are four carriers flying LAX-SYD already: Qantas, United, Delta, and V Australia. How many carriers do you need? How many do you expect on very-long-haul routes?

Add all the reasonable one-stop options TN, HA, NZ, AP (and perhaps others)...makes the LAX-SYD route pretty crowded.

Jan 19, 2011, 6:31 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gamecock

My 0.02 cents on the route: SFO-SYD.

I'm guessing AA will planned to starts nonstop LAX or SFO-SYD due to competitions against UA/QF/DL/VA. If there is enough more tougher competitions against another carriers. So I can't take the advantage of this one. Only where AA can usually nonstop DFW-SYD instead of going through LAX or SFO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FWAAA

Maybe the plan is that AA takes over ORD-HKG in late 2012 or early 2013?

No, Only stay where they are. AA is not able takeover these routes for ORD-HKG. This is not right things to do.

Jan 19, 2011, 6:36 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FWAAA

"Metal neutrality" is like "low cost carrier." Neither term really refers to the passengers' perspective - they refer to the airlines' perspective.

Exactly. ^

Jan 19, 2011, 6:40 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TWA884

I thought that the difference in range between the 772ER and the 773ER is only about 200 miles. Is it enough to make the difference on these routes?

Yes.

All three of those routes are within the 772's range, but routings present serious issues that put it at its limits and would see it operating with pretty bad payload restrictions. The 77W's slight range increase pushes it right over the edge necessary.