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FWAAA post 382: In the 10-K filed on February 20, 2013, AA confirmed that it now has ordered a total of 20 77W; two delivered in 2012, eight more in 2013, six more in 2014 and two each in 2015 and 2016 for a total of 20:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....5fUEFHRSZleHA9
16 total 77Ws by the end of next year plus at least four more after that.
Scheduling information: AA 777-300ER / 77W Schedule, Routes (consolidated)
777 family range (Boeing)
Both of AA's 777s are -ER (Extended Range) models, the common 777-223ER and new 777-323ER. Not much range difference, but significant capacity difference. No 200-LRs (Long Range, AKA "Worldliner",) in the future at this time.
777-300ER:
N717AN 7LA
N718AN 7LB
N719AN 7LC
N720AN 7LD
N721AN 7LE
N722AN 7LF
N723AN 7LG
N724AN 7LH
N725AN 7LJ
N726AN 7LK
N727AN 7LL
Updated from planespotters.net:
N728AN 7LM
N729AN 7LN
N730AN 7LP
N731AN 7LR
N732AN 7LS
N733AR 7LT
Based on this data there are 17 77Ws in service Oct 2015.
FWAAA post 382: In the 10-K filed on February 20, 2013, AA confirmed that it now has ordered a total of 20 77W; two delivered in 2012, eight more in 2013, six more in 2014 and two each in 2015 and 2016 for a total of 20:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....5fUEFHRSZleHA9
16 total 77Ws by the end of next year plus at least four more after that.
Scheduling information: AA 777-300ER / 77W Schedule, Routes (consolidated)
777 family range (Boeing)
Both of AA's 777s are -ER (Extended Range) models, the common 777-223ER and new 777-323ER. Not much range difference, but significant capacity difference. No 200-LRs (Long Range, AKA "Worldliner",) in the future at this time.
777-300ER:
N717AN 7LA
N718AN 7LB
N719AN 7LC
N720AN 7LD
N721AN 7LE
N722AN 7LF
N723AN 7LG
N724AN 7LH
N725AN 7LJ
N726AN 7LK
N727AN 7LL
Updated from planespotters.net:
N728AN 7LM
N729AN 7LN
N730AN 7LP
N731AN 7LR
N732AN 7LS
N733AR 7LT
Based on this data there are 17 77Ws in service Oct 2015.
AA Boeing 777-300ER / 77W orders, 20 orders + deliveries confirmed as of 2013
Jan 20, 2011, 11:31 am
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I heard ORD-BLR.
Jan 20, 2011, 12:09 pm
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The greater NY area to TLV is well served by DL, LY and CO already. And where has it been published that EWR-TLV is CO's most lucrative? I didn't realize they break out route revenues/profits.
Also keep in mind US flies there from PHL. I don't see AA flying this route.
Also keep in mind US flies there from PHL. I don't see AA flying this route.
Jan 20, 2011, 12:11 pm
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Jan 20, 2011, 1:32 pm
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This should help...:-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777#Variants
The B77W (B773ER) can carry a much heavier load (ie.-pax/cargo) further at its MTOW than the B77E (B772ER) can at its MTOW. That is a big advantage.
If the route isn't large (ie.-such as JFK-LHR) then the B77W will be able to carry even more cargo, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777#Variants
The B77W (B773ER) can carry a much heavier load (ie.-pax/cargo) further at its MTOW than the B77E (B772ER) can at its MTOW. That is a big advantage.
If the route isn't large (ie.-such as JFK-LHR) then the B77W will be able to carry even more cargo, etc.
I was well aware of the difference in MTOW and range when I posed my question.
MAH4546 wrote:
His answer was that it was.
Jan 20, 2011, 3:58 pm
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Thanks. However, I had already checked the 777 Technical Information page on Boeing's website (under General Technical Characteristics) before I posed my question.
I was well aware of the difference in MTOW and range when I posed my question.
MAH4546 wrote:
I was simply asking if 200 miles difference in range was enough to make these routes viable.
His answer was that it was.
I was well aware of the difference in MTOW and range when I posed my question.
MAH4546 wrote:
I was simply asking if 200 miles difference in range was enough to make these routes viable.
His answer was that it was.
Jan 20, 2011, 5:33 pm
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It would be incredible if AA dumped a bunch of capacity in TLV as a new market and started a fare war with CO, DL, LY, and US.
It would be ideal for AA to deploy the 77W on JFK-TLV. Until recently, DL operated JFK-TLV with a 763 and currently both CO and LY operate EWR/JFK-TLV with 777-200ER. Considering both the 763 and 777-200ER can easily handle the mission and AA won't initially have an established presence in Israel I doubt the 77W would be the aircraft.
http://www.allbusiness.com/middle-ea...3992277-1.html
Israel is Continental Airline's most profitable route, company chairman Larry Kellner said on his first visit to the Jewish state. He said the airline's 14 weekly flights bring 400,000 people in and out of Israel annually.
Kellner stated that the Israeli operations are among the most profitable routes for Continental, the world's sixth largest airline. He added that Continental attracts a large number of banking and finance executives, as well as tourists, but doubted whether Continental would add a third flight to the route before 2009, when the airline is to receive new aircraft.
Kellner stated that the Israeli operations are among the most profitable routes for Continental, the world's sixth largest airline. He added that Continental attracts a large number of banking and finance executives, as well as tourists, but doubted whether Continental would add a third flight to the route before 2009, when the airline is to receive new aircraft.
Jan 20, 2011, 6:40 pm
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It would be incredible if AA dumped a bunch of capacity in TLV as a new market and started a fare war with CO, DL, LY, and US.
It would be ideal for AA to deploy the 77W on JFK-TLV. Until recently, DL operated JFK-TLV with a 763 and currently both CO and LY operate EWR/JFK-TLV with 777-200ER. Considering both the 763 and 777-200ER can easily handle the mission and AA won't initially have an established presence in Israel I doubt the 77W would be the aircraft.
http://www.allbusiness.com/middle-ea...3992277-1.html
It would be ideal for AA to deploy the 77W on JFK-TLV. Until recently, DL operated JFK-TLV with a 763 and currently both CO and LY operate EWR/JFK-TLV with 777-200ER. Considering both the 763 and 777-200ER can easily handle the mission and AA won't initially have an established presence in Israel I doubt the 77W would be the aircraft.
http://www.allbusiness.com/middle-ea...3992277-1.html
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Jan 20, 2011, 7:03 pm
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Jan 20, 2011, 7:04 pm
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http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/tra...n_airlines.htm
Jan 20, 2011, 7:12 pm
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I'm well aware. That's not to say the dispute can't be resolved and clear the way for AA to (re)-enter the market. As of 2001, the severance due was estimated at $9-18 million which AA could easily cough up and pave the way for flights to TLV.
http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/tra...n_airlines.htm
http://www.jewishsightseeing.com/tra...n_airlines.htm
Jan 20, 2011, 7:27 pm
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AA could fly JFK-TLV with a 763 or 772 if it paid the claims of the ex-TWA employees. So why would AA need to buy two 773s to start this route?
Jan 20, 2011, 7:38 pm
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Jan 21, 2011, 10:29 am
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However, these planes will take so long to deliver, we don't know yet how many total they will have at first delivery time, so it's probably way too early to speculate whether these two will go to domestic runs first until there's more in the fleet.
Jan 21, 2011, 12:26 pm
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If they really had these planes tomorrow, I'd bet that's more or less what they'd do with them in the short run. That's what typically do with a new configuration when they only have one or two "trial" planes ready: They put them on semi-random domestic-ish routes, until the subfleet is of big enough size to do its real intended function in the long run. I seem to recall we saw this with the very first 75L planes, and several other times.
However, these planes will take so long to deliver, we don't know yet how many total they will have at first delivery time, so it's probably way too early to speculate whether these two will go to domestic runs first until there's more in the fleet.
However, these planes will take so long to deliver, we don't know yet how many total they will have at first delivery time, so it's probably way too early to speculate whether these two will go to domestic runs first until there's more in the fleet.
Jan 21, 2011, 12:29 pm
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