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FWAAA post 382: In the 10-K filed on February 20, 2013, AA confirmed that it now has ordered a total of 20 77W; two delivered in 2012, eight more in 2013, six more in 2014 and two each in 2015 and 2016 for a total of 20:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....5fUEFHRSZleHA9
16 total 77Ws by the end of next year plus at least four more after that.
Scheduling information: AA 777-300ER / 77W Schedule, Routes (consolidated)
777 family range (Boeing)
Both of AA's 777s are -ER (Extended Range) models, the common 777-223ER and new 777-323ER. Not much range difference, but significant capacity difference. No 200-LRs (Long Range, AKA "Worldliner",) in the future at this time.
777-300ER:
N717AN 7LA
N718AN 7LB
N719AN 7LC
N720AN 7LD
N721AN 7LE
N722AN 7LF
N723AN 7LG
N724AN 7LH
N725AN 7LJ
N726AN 7LK
N727AN 7LL
Updated from planespotters.net:
N728AN 7LM
N729AN 7LN
N730AN 7LP
N731AN 7LR
N732AN 7LS
N733AR 7LT
Based on this data there are 17 77Ws in service Oct 2015.
FWAAA post 382: In the 10-K filed on February 20, 2013, AA confirmed that it now has ordered a total of 20 77W; two delivered in 2012, eight more in 2013, six more in 2014 and two each in 2015 and 2016 for a total of 20:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....5fUEFHRSZleHA9
16 total 77Ws by the end of next year plus at least four more after that.
Scheduling information: AA 777-300ER / 77W Schedule, Routes (consolidated)
777 family range (Boeing)
Both of AA's 777s are -ER (Extended Range) models, the common 777-223ER and new 777-323ER. Not much range difference, but significant capacity difference. No 200-LRs (Long Range, AKA "Worldliner",) in the future at this time.
777-300ER:
N717AN 7LA
N718AN 7LB
N719AN 7LC
N720AN 7LD
N721AN 7LE
N722AN 7LF
N723AN 7LG
N724AN 7LH
N725AN 7LJ
N726AN 7LK
N727AN 7LL
Updated from planespotters.net:
N728AN 7LM
N729AN 7LN
N730AN 7LP
N731AN 7LR
N732AN 7LS
N733AR 7LT
Based on this data there are 17 77Ws in service Oct 2015.
AA Boeing 777-300ER / 77W orders, 20 orders + deliveries confirmed as of 2013
Jan 19, 2011, 6:58 pm
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777#Variants
The B77W (B773ER) can carry a much heavier load (ie.-pax/cargo) further at its MTOW than the B77E (B772ER) can at its MTOW. That is a big advantage.
If the route isn't large (ie.-such as JFK-LHR) then the B77W will be able to carry even more cargo, etc.
Jan 19, 2011, 8:03 pm
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[QUOTE=ByrdluvsAWACO;15655391]Which routes would these be? AA has sat on their a$$..s for so long that the fungus named DL has spread to almost every market. There are no more monopoly markets in this day and age. Its now time for AA to learn how to do things the old fashioned way and develop markets like they did in South America.
Develop markets like they did in South America?? These are routes inherited from Eastern, which got them from Braniff. And many of the South American employees are ex-Braniff/Panagra, if you want to go that far back. AA has certainly done well in exploiting the market, but they certainly did not develop it.
Develop markets like they did in South America?? These are routes inherited from Eastern, which got them from Braniff. And many of the South American employees are ex-Braniff/Panagra, if you want to go that far back. AA has certainly done well in exploiting the market, but they certainly did not develop it.
Jan 19, 2011, 9:55 pm
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Horton was asked a direct question about this in the conference call and gave a rather vague answer along the lines of we will evaluate this going forward. AA corporate speak for we have a plan just not gonna share it yet.
Jan 19, 2011, 10:21 pm
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[QUOTE=jeffhacker;15694125]
100% wrong. Eastern's network to South America was quite small. Much weaker than people think. Pan Am was the Miami-Latin America king, and United killed that network apart. AA took Eastern's small Latin American network and developed it into the strong market it is today.
Eastern didn't even fly MIA-GRU non-stop - that's all weak the network was.
Develop markets like they did in South America?? These are routes inherited from Eastern, which got them from Braniff. And many of the South American employees are ex-Braniff/Panagra, if you want to go that far back. AA has certainly done well in exploiting the market, but they certainly did not develop it.
Eastern didn't even fly MIA-GRU non-stop - that's all weak the network was.
Jan 20, 2011, 1:08 am
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Maybe with the 777-300ER's, we will finally see JFK-TLV. EWR-TLV is Continental's most lucrative route...
Jan 20, 2011, 3:22 am
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I don't understand why the fuss about AA plane order.
The 2 aircraft order is nothing but a shame to AA when you compare it to the orders of EK and EY and QR of that type of airplanes.
The 2 aircraft order is nothing but a shame to AA when you compare it to the orders of EK and EY and QR of that type of airplanes.
Jan 20, 2011, 4:39 am
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Jan 20, 2011, 9:11 am
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I'm wondering if the reason AA has only purchased two of these 777-300s is due to the possibility that AA may buy the rest from JAL?! After all their relationship is now closer than ever
Jan 20, 2011, 9:17 am
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I wonder if it could be the other way round? Could Boeing be lining up a mega-deal with OneWorld that will see a handful of OW operators order 773's at a special price? Could AA's deal be a stopgap and/or part of the 787-9 deal which is designed to get them to the point where something more significant happens?
Jan 20, 2011, 9:42 am
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Negotiating chip?
more speculation... they may have an idea to fly DFW-HKG but would need union agreement, and I would speculate that the contract amendment to allow this is on the table, and lack of agreement would affect the order confirmation?
I speculate that AA is still smarting from the screwing they suffer from on slot times for the mainland chinese airports, and being unable to effectively make connections, better times with help from OW partner CX in HKG? it also is speculated due to the chinese interest in south american commodities, and increasing interest for one stop access to south american countries...
I also speculate that this has something to do with the 787 delay compensation?
dittymau
I speculate that AA is still smarting from the screwing they suffer from on slot times for the mainland chinese airports, and being unable to effectively make connections, better times with help from OW partner CX in HKG? it also is speculated due to the chinese interest in south american commodities, and increasing interest for one stop access to south american countries...
I also speculate that this has something to do with the 787 delay compensation?
dittymau
Jan 20, 2011, 11:11 am
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The 2 aircraft order is nothing but a shame to AA when you compare it to the orders of EK and EY and QR of that type of airplanes.
Jan 20, 2011, 11:15 am
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I don't think this could be the answer because 2 of a type they currently do not have really doesn't help as a stop gap measure.
Jan 20, 2011, 11:17 am
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Jan 20, 2011, 11:22 am
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