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FWAAA post 382: In the 10-K filed on February 20, 2013, AA confirmed that it now has ordered a total of 20 77W; two delivered in 2012, eight more in 2013, six more in 2014 and two each in 2015 and 2016 for a total of 20:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....5fUEFHRSZleHA9
16 total 77Ws by the end of next year plus at least four more after that.
Scheduling information: AA 777-300ER / 77W Schedule, Routes (consolidated)
777 family range (Boeing)
Both of AA's 777s are -ER (Extended Range) models, the common 777-223ER and new 777-323ER. Not much range difference, but significant capacity difference. No 200-LRs (Long Range, AKA "Worldliner",) in the future at this time.
777-300ER:
N717AN 7LA
N718AN 7LB
N719AN 7LC
N720AN 7LD
N721AN 7LE
N722AN 7LF
N723AN 7LG
N724AN 7LH
N725AN 7LJ
N726AN 7LK
N727AN 7LL
Updated from planespotters.net:
N728AN 7LM
N729AN 7LN
N730AN 7LP
N731AN 7LR
N732AN 7LS
N733AR 7LT
Based on this data there are 17 77Ws in service Oct 2015.
FWAAA post 382: In the 10-K filed on February 20, 2013, AA confirmed that it now has ordered a total of 20 77W; two delivered in 2012, eight more in 2013, six more in 2014 and two each in 2015 and 2016 for a total of 20:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....5fUEFHRSZleHA9
16 total 77Ws by the end of next year plus at least four more after that.
Scheduling information: AA 777-300ER / 77W Schedule, Routes (consolidated)
777 family range (Boeing)
Both of AA's 777s are -ER (Extended Range) models, the common 777-223ER and new 777-323ER. Not much range difference, but significant capacity difference. No 200-LRs (Long Range, AKA "Worldliner",) in the future at this time.
777-300ER:
N717AN 7LA
N718AN 7LB
N719AN 7LC
N720AN 7LD
N721AN 7LE
N722AN 7LF
N723AN 7LG
N724AN 7LH
N725AN 7LJ
N726AN 7LK
N727AN 7LL
Updated from planespotters.net:
N728AN 7LM
N729AN 7LN
N730AN 7LP
N731AN 7LR
N732AN 7LS
N733AR 7LT
Based on this data there are 17 77Ws in service Oct 2015.
AA Boeing 777-300ER / 77W orders, 20 orders + deliveries confirmed as of 2013
Jan 13, 2011, 8:31 pm
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TLV
As much as I would love to see TLV, it's not gonna happen. Period. That whole "TWA liability issue" is not going to just go away.
Jan 13, 2011, 8:34 pm
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If AA sees a market for Tel Aviv, it will settle and start service to Tel Aviv, easy as that.
Jan 13, 2011, 8:53 pm
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Since we're all speculating, I'd have to guess DFW-HKG.
I'd be surprised with ORD-HKG, given that CX just started that route.
LAX-SYD on AA won't happen, though I'm happy to be proven wrong.
I could maybe, maybe see AA starting service to TPE or ICN, but it's a long shot.
I'd be surprised with ORD-HKG, given that CX just started that route.
LAX-SYD on AA won't happen, though I'm happy to be proven wrong.
I could maybe, maybe see AA starting service to TPE or ICN, but it's a long shot.
Jan 13, 2011, 8:58 pm
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IMO, if the 747-400 stopped at SID east to west, the 777-323ER (assuming it comes about) is likely to as well (it's the prevailing winds aloft / jetstream that cause this e to w but not w to e).
There you go! That's more like that. AA are always welcome addition more specific new routes for MIA-JNB/CPT nonstop. AA won't be necessary to stopover in SID. The entire 773ER can barely enough flying nonstop out of MIA-JNB. Because the 777 was on the weight restrictions. Because the 77W is very extremely strong high headwinds gusted. This is on the payload restrictions. The 777-300ER is more comparable aircraft and more fuel efficient and more capabilities. ...
Jan 13, 2011, 9:10 pm
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EK flies to both SFO and LAX with a B77W-but those are slightly payload restricted. Regardless, I know pax who have taken the DXB flight out of SFO and have told me they are quite full.
??
-What ETOPS rules? There would be no ETOPS restrictions.
-CX and EK combined have multiple 8,000 mile B77W flights.
Penalty restricted? Probably-but not not as much as DXB-SFO/LAX. There is a reason why CX's Tyler and EK's Clark love the B77W. The B77W performs quite well at "the edge of the envelope".
Jan 13, 2011, 9:10 pm
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Jan 13, 2011, 9:31 pm
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The route could be MIA-JNB-CPT-MIA, giving Cape Town its only direct service to the United States and serving a sizeable market.
Before 9/11 security rules changed transit procedures, SAA flew JNB-CPT-FLL-ATL, using FLL instead of SID because of the sizeable local market.
Jan 13, 2011, 9:32 pm
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Sure they can. The 772ER can barely handle enough more range to reachable in LOS. That's is right choice for AA. I think 772ER will able flying nonstop DFW-LOS is 6,573 miles. Due to weight restrictions. Because it will have a problems due to strongs high headwinds gusts. It'll will work.
Jan 13, 2011, 10:05 pm
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Jan 13, 2011, 10:51 pm
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With a finite amount of fleet/resources, its best to put them on routes/destinations which have as less competition as possible, etc.
Jan 13, 2011, 11:03 pm
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American and Qantas are applying with Australian authorities for immunity today, which would merger their U.S.-Australia operations just like AA/JAL to Asia and AA/IB/BA for EU. It's an interesting move, because AA does not fly to Australia, but if it were to, it would have metal neutrality with Qantas. So maybe its something we'll see in the long term future, using an AA plane for a third daily LAX-SYD.
Jan 13, 2011, 11:52 pm
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With Comair providing feed, AA should have sustainable traffic on both sides of MIA-JNB.
Jan 14, 2011, 12:02 am
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Jan 14, 2011, 12:07 am
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American and Qantas are applying with Australian authorities for immunity today, which would merger their U.S.-Australia operations just like AA/JAL to Asia and AA/IB/BA for EU. It's an interesting move, because AA does not fly to Australia, but if it were to, it would have metal neutrality with Qantas. So maybe its something we'll see in the long term future, using an AA plane for a third daily LAX-SYD.
Jan 14, 2011, 12:07 am
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DFW-ICN is a very sizeable O&D market, the second largest between Texas and the Pacific, and it is mostly Dallas-originating. AA can do very well on this route, no codeshare needed whatsoever.