Dec 30, 2019, 1:03 pm
Last edit by: Quail
Wiki for using AS (Alaska) Miles on JL (Japan Airlines)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.
Class of Service One-way Round-trip:
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.
Class of Service One-way Round-trip:
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread (2020-2022)
Dec 7, 2022, 2:42 pm
#1006
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: SFO / SJC / OAK
Programs: AS / CSR / AMEX
Posts: 266
Phantom F Availability?
Trying to upgrade a SFO-HND-BKK to First, noticed availability if I fly out of SJC and take SJC-PDX-ORD-HND (First class) and leave my BKK leg the same. When trying to book an unable to book partner award error
Anyone else see this happening? Any chance I can just keep trying and hope it goes through? EF shows all seats open in First, I'm thinking JAL has it blocked off but error in AS system shows it as open
Anyone else see this happening? Any chance I can just keep trying and hope it goes through? EF shows all seats open in First, I'm thinking JAL has it blocked off but error in AS system shows it as open
Last edited by akelkar; Dec 9, 2022 at 3:06 am
Dec 7, 2022, 2:47 pm
#1007
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: SFO
Programs: AS 75k, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Gold, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 544
If I were you I'd edit your post to take out your full name and AS MP #
Dec 7, 2022, 3:02 pm
#1008
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,975
Yep the "Staring at ... " language is new. Of course done without any notice (other than cryptic email last month) as is now standard Alaska way of treating customers. Doesn't look like the actual booking prices have changed yet but that can't be far away.
Dec 7, 2022, 3:54 pm
#1009
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,397
Dec 7, 2022, 4:03 pm
#1011
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: SAN, BOS
Programs: AS MVPG100K, BAEC Gold, Hilton Diamond, Bonvoy Plat,
Posts: 2,282
This is a nothing burger, as always. “Dynamic” is more like saver vs anytime award.
Dec 7, 2022, 4:24 pm
#1013
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,397
The part you want to watch out for is once AS makes partner award prices dependent on distance traveled just like current awards on AS metal are. Which they promised to do.
We’ll have a simplified award chart to show you where award levels start based on which regions you’re traveling from and to. With this change, similar to awards on Alaska, partner award levels may vary depending on multiple factors including route, distance, or demand.
They're basically going to turn the partner award chart into something like Avios or Asia Miles, with bands.
Last edited by eponymous_coward; Dec 7, 2022 at 4:31 pm
Dec 7, 2022, 6:02 pm
#1014
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,975
So you realize that's because you're getting expanded availability on awards on EI above saver and EI is controlling the availability of saver, right? This isn't a case where AS has it for 280k and BA has it for whatever it is that BA makes an EI flight available at as a partner award..
In addition AS often can't get partner awards for the very same oneworld airlines that AA/BA can. This is happening more and more where I can find an SFO/LAX-TYO award on AA for 60k but AS doesnt even show it and agents cannot book. Sometimes looking at the calendar helps and sometimes it doesn't (e.g. can see it on calendar but AS agents cannot book then I just go to AA and book without issues). So may anytime awards will help but Im not going to pay 100K AS miles if AA can book for 60k.
In any case, its all a race to the bottom. Earn and burn baby.
Last edited by olouie; Dec 7, 2022 at 6:11 pm
Dec 7, 2022, 8:24 pm
#1015
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,621
Hi -
Earn and burn indeed. When things started opening up earlier this year, I went through 500K AS miles. Now with a clean slate, I can re-examine my upcoming travel patterns and allocate purchase decisions without any golden handcuffs.
Earn and burn indeed. When things started opening up earlier this year, I went through 500K AS miles. Now with a clean slate, I can re-examine my upcoming travel patterns and allocate purchase decisions without any golden handcuffs.
Dec 8, 2022, 7:28 am
#1016
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 81
On the phone about 10 minutes but they managed to do it - seems YMMV on who you get but the two agents I dealt with were extremely helpful. I called this number - 1-800-252-7522 around 2pm GMT (i.e. outside East Asia business hours).
Dec 8, 2022, 8:08 am
#1017
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: LAX_AMS_MNL
Programs: AS MVP, AA EXP - 1MM, BAEC BRZ, BVY GLD, Hilton DIA, Hyatt GLB
Posts: 749
Is Alaska or Japan Airlines limiting Availability? Don't see a single biz award ex LAX to HND when BA and AA shows up for November 2, 2023 multiple seats. There's even a First Class seat avail. Ive tried the trick above but it still wont show.
Maybe Im doing something wrong. Does anyone see Nov 2 availability LAX-HND via website? I hope its just me.
Maybe Im doing something wrong. Does anyone see Nov 2 availability LAX-HND via website? I hope its just me.
Dec 8, 2022, 8:29 am
#1018
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 48
Is Alaska or Japan Airlines limiting Availability? Don't see a single biz award ex LAX to HND when BA and AA shows up for November 2, 2023 multiple seats. There's even a First Class seat avail. Ive tried the trick above but it still wont show.
Maybe Im doing something wrong. Does anyone see Nov 2 availability LAX-HND via website? I hope its just me.
Maybe Im doing something wrong. Does anyone see Nov 2 availability LAX-HND via website? I hope its just me.
Or, you could simply wait several days until the LAX–HND flight on 11/2/23 is no longer in the buggy end-of-schedule window. The risk of waiting, of course, is that the seats could get taken in the meantime by members of other programs.
Last edited by incaroads; Dec 8, 2022 at 8:41 am
Dec 8, 2022, 9:53 am
#1019
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,975
Is Alaska or Japan Airlines limiting Availability? Don't see a single biz award ex LAX to HND when BA and AA shows up for November 2, 2023 multiple seats. There's even a First Class seat avail. Ive tried the trick above but it still wont show.
Maybe Im doing something wrong. Does anyone see Nov 2 availability LAX-HND via website? I hope itjust me.
Maybe Im doing something wrong. Does anyone see Nov 2 availability LAX-HND via website? I hope itjust me.
Dec 8, 2022, 12:22 pm
#1020
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 48
Cool trick indeed, but pretty unfortunate (at least for those not in the know) that it's necessary. I had to book several tickets this way for next fall and needed a significant cushion of AS miles in order to do so. In each case, I spoke with an agent who thought they could handle the change themselves, were unable to, and put me on hold for several minutes while they either transferred me to someone at the int'l partner desk or spoke with someone there who took care of it. Overall very easy and the miles were redeposited immediately.
Last edited by incaroads; Dec 8, 2022 at 3:12 pm