Dec 30, 2019, 1:03 pm
Last edit by: Quail
Wiki for using AS (Alaska) Miles on JL (Japan Airlines)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.
Class of Service One-way Round-trip:
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport
Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)
For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.
Class of Service One-way Round-trip:
U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000
U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000
Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000
International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK
USA
Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA
Canada
Vancouver - YVR
Asia
Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN
Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)
Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread (2020-2022)
Dec 16, 2022, 8:02 pm
#1066
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Any idea why no J seats are available on a random Monday in November 2023 from HND to SGN? Literally every day in October is available, and November is shaping up to look the same way—except for the day I need to travel! I haven't followed the pattern of this route for long enough to know whether dates randomly become unavailable and then available again.
The weekend before Monday Nov. 6th is a holiday weekend in Japan so that may play in to why someone has grabbed J on that day (IOW, Nov. 6th is not a random Monday).
Last edited by skimthetrees; Dec 16, 2022 at 8:08 pm
Dec 16, 2022, 8:28 pm
#1067
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 48
You do know the AS calendar only extends out 330 days, right? If you are checking today a random Monday in Nov. 2023 you 3 chances out of 4 to pick a day that AS is not booking for yet, and the one day their calendar does extend to, Nov. 6, 2023, has availability HND-SGN (in economy). Tomorrow Nov. 13 should come in to view on the AS calendar (probably using the calendar trick).
The weekend before Monday Nov. 6th is a holiday weekend in Japan so that may play in to why someone has grabbed J on that day (IOW, Nov. 6th is not a random Monday).
The weekend before Monday Nov. 6th is a holiday weekend in Japan so that may play in to why someone has grabbed J on that day (IOW, Nov. 6th is not a random Monday).
Dec 16, 2022, 10:52 pm
#1068
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Yeah, thanks, I’ve been monitoring the calendar and today was the day I was expecting to be able to add a HND-SGN leg to my existing ORD-HND booking. Didn’t know 11/6 was a holiday but that is indeed the day I’m looking at. This morning there were 7+ J seats available but when I called AS at noon ET (waited until international partner desk was open), they were gone. Maybe it’s just another EOS glitch that will resolve itself. Unfortunately my date isn’t flexible.
There is economy available HND-SGN right now on 11/6. You might as well grab that and hope to upgrade later.
Dec 17, 2022, 5:44 pm
#1069
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: LAX_AMS_MNL
Programs: AS MVP, AA EXP - 1MM, BAEC BRZ, BVY GLD, Hilton DIA, Hyatt GLB
Posts: 749
Was able to book 6 J seats to Manila with stop over in Tokyo. First agent was kind enough to let me speak to a partner desk agent when she couldn't find availability! Partner desk agent booked it with no issue. YMMV
Im just amazed how there where 6 seats on the days I wanted! Never seen that before. I thought 4 was a unicorn!
Im just amazed how there where 6 seats on the days I wanted! Never seen that before. I thought 4 was a unicorn!
Dec 17, 2022, 6:50 pm
#1070
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Was able to book 6 J seats to Manila with stop over in Tokyo. First agent was kind enough to let me speak to a partner desk agent when she couldn't find availability! Partner desk agent booked it with no issue. YMMV
Im just amazed how there where 6 seats on the days I wanted! Never seen that before. I thought 4 was a unicorn!
Im just amazed how there where 6 seats on the days I wanted! Never seen that before. I thought 4 was a unicorn!
Dec 19, 2022, 9:28 pm
#1071
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 68
Let’s say theoretically one were to have 2 F award tickets booked for JFK -> NRT/HND for this Friday. With the upcoming winter storm affecting the northeast, what are the scenarios that can happen?
1. flight takes off as planned
2. flight delayed
3. flight canceled - what happens to the F tickets in this scenario?
1. flight takes off as planned
2. flight delayed
3. flight canceled - what happens to the F tickets in this scenario?
Dec 20, 2022, 12:33 am
#1073
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 5,867
Not what I'm seeing at all. I was finding quite a bit of ORD-HND about a month ago, and now it's basically non-existent during the time period I was previously looking at.
Dec 20, 2022, 12:53 am
#1074
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
I did not look at that range. My study was mostly on the SFO-TYO routes and I was looking near the end of schedule and found that the J award space released was increased. A couple of months ago they started out with 2J at their (JAL) schedule open, then a couple of weeks in they increased the HND space to up to 5J if none had been booked yet. Now they still start at 2J but increase to up to 8J SFO-HND except Fridays and Sundays where is still 2J.
As mentioned above I was looking at the release pattern near the end of schedule. I was not ambitious enough to search the whole year since only end of schedule was relevant to me. I just did a quick check and on ORD-HND I am seeing, starting 11/28, 8J, 8J, 6J, 8J, which is line with my findings on the SFO route. what month are you looking at? Space does get taken rather quickly when it comes in to the AS booking calendar range. If you find space at end of AS schedule today and look again in a month, most likely that space will be gone but space in the newly opened end of schedule should probably be there.
As mentioned above I was looking at the release pattern near the end of schedule. I was not ambitious enough to search the whole year since only end of schedule was relevant to me. I just did a quick check and on ORD-HND I am seeing, starting 11/28, 8J, 8J, 6J, 8J, which is line with my findings on the SFO route. what month are you looking at? Space does get taken rather quickly when it comes in to the AS booking calendar range. If you find space at end of AS schedule today and look again in a month, most likely that space will be gone but space in the newly opened end of schedule should probably be there.
Dec 20, 2022, 1:28 am
#1075
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 5,867
I did not look at that range. My study was mostly on the SFO-TYO routes and I was looking near the end of schedule and found that the J award space released was increased. A couple of months ago they started out with 2J at their (JAL) schedule open, then a couple of weeks in they increased the HND space to up to 5J if none had been booked yet. Now they still start at 2J but increase to up to 8J SFO-HND except Fridays and Sundays where is still 2J.
As mentioned above I was looking at the release pattern near the end of schedule. I was not ambitious enough to search the whole year since only end of schedule was relevant to me. I just did a quick check and on ORD-HND I am seeing, starting 11/28, 8J, 8J, 6J, 8J, which is line with my findings on the SFO route. what month are you looking at? Space does get taken rather quickly when it comes in to the AS booking calendar range. If you find space at end of AS schedule today and look again in a month, most likely that space will be gone but space in the newly opened end of schedule should probably be there.
As mentioned above I was looking at the release pattern near the end of schedule. I was not ambitious enough to search the whole year since only end of schedule was relevant to me. I just did a quick check and on ORD-HND I am seeing, starting 11/28, 8J, 8J, 6J, 8J, which is line with my findings on the SFO route. what month are you looking at? Space does get taken rather quickly when it comes in to the AS booking calendar range. If you find space at end of AS schedule today and look again in a month, most likely that space will be gone but space in the newly opened end of schedule should probably be there.
Dec 20, 2022, 4:56 am
#1076
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,975
Lots of phantom availability too - got excited when I saw all the flights I wanted on AS but errored out and didnt show on AA or BA. Sad panda.
Dec 20, 2022, 11:48 am
#1077
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
This was a relatively new bug that was reported here a week or so ago. I get the feeling that it is happening when AS flights are combined with JAL flights. I suspect it does not occur when only JAL flights are returned, most especially if it is a non-stop JL flight, so if you are seeing a connecting itinerary mixing AS and JAL try searching for only the JAL flights to check real availability.
Dec 20, 2022, 12:23 pm
#1078
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 289
Did AS block J+F seat on purpose? I see SGN - NRT in J , stop over in Tokyo, then HND - LAX in F available, but then I try to book then no award seat available in one itiniary , but they have SGN-NRT in J and HND-LAX in J award show up... odd 
Dec 24, 2022, 11:03 am
#1079
Join Date: Dec 2018
Posts: 36
Do you guys think JAL would release more F seats T-14 to Alaska for Jan 2023?
I currently have a J seat and would love to try F. Was excited when I saw F available on Alaska like 3 weeks ago for my dates but couldn't book (phantom I guess), and since then been looking on BA and seeing nothing for Jan yet (not T-14 yet). Is BA the right place to look to avoid phantom availability?
I currently have a J seat and would love to try F. Was excited when I saw F available on Alaska like 3 weeks ago for my dates but couldn't book (phantom I guess), and since then been looking on BA and seeing nothing for Jan yet (not T-14 yet). Is BA the right place to look to avoid phantom availability?
Dec 28, 2022, 12:59 pm
#1080
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: YYZ
Posts: 88
Yeah seeing that too unfortunately. Would you be able to give them the flights by calling in, and have them attach the J+F flights together manually?