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speed.skater Aug 29, 19 3:51 am

Having a relatively short transfer at CDG around 5:30 PM tonite. I would like to get a shower at one of the three T2E lounges. Should I expect a long wait? Do you recommend I pick a particular lounge to maximize my chances?

San Gottardo Aug 29, 19 9:39 am


Originally Posted by speed.skater (Post 31469146)
Having a relatively short transfer at CDG around 5:30 PM tonite. I would like to get a shower at one of the three T2E lounges. Should I expect a long wait? Do you recommend I pick a particular lounge to maximize my chances?

i don't think that many people will be using showers at that time of day, so you shouldn't have a long wait.

You won't be able to choose the 2E lounge yourself, you can only use the lounge in the concourse you are departing from.

speed.skater Aug 29, 19 11:45 am

Thanks, San Gottardo, you were right!

Goldorak Aug 29, 19 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by GrizNation (Post 31468301)
Hello everyone,

I’m flying KLM in J JFK-AMS out of T4, but i’d like to go to the AF lounge in T1 (I have no status but flying J) instead of the DL lounge in T4. Will the allow access? Last time they denied because I was flying AZ in J, but that’s because AZ has its own lounge right next door.

thanks for any feedback!

In theory you should have access but be prepared to fight with TSA and then to have access to the AF lounge because of overcrowding. If you intend to go there between 6 and 9 pm, I would tend to say : forget it.

Goldorak Sep 4, 19 3:49 pm

IAD - Washington Dulles - renovated and extended AF/KL lounge
 
I had the pleasure to visit the renovated & extended AF/KL lounge in IAD last week. And as I was flying on the late flight to CDG (AF027), I could use the night service for in-lounge dining as it is done in JFK. They did a great job and the staff seems to be very happy and proud to work there. And as Ultimate, I was very well treated with plenty of extra attentions.

The room at terminal level is globally the same size as before but it has been rearranged. Basically, the former P room is now the dining room. The bar has been slightly moved in order to create a new P room behind the bar, along the window. The bar is still attended, as I believe this is a VA law. There is a reserved space for Ultimate at the back of the lounge. IMO, they could have done better for it location-wise, but still an appreciable perk.

New modern furnitures with fresh colors. Much more comfortable seating than before (it was not difficult). In-lounge dining (night service) starts around 6:30 pm, after the departure of AF055 (A380 flight). Before that time, the dining room is used as extra seating. From 6:30, tables are dressed.

This lounge is very busy and can be very full. I arrived in the lounge after the departure of the KL flight and just before boarding of the A380 flight and as you can see on the pictures, the lounge was crowded. The very nice AF agent (I certainly don't want to call her a lounge dragon ;) ) who welcomed me and my colleague at the lounge told me that the Ultimate reserved space was occupied, so she proposed me to go in the new area downstairs which was very quiet. I very much welcomed that and indeed it was very quiet (only a group of 4 pax + my colleague and I). The downstairs part is only accessible by a lift close to the welcome desk (no stairs). Unfortunately, the lower level room is blind (no windows), while the upper level room has very nice views on the apron as you know if you visited this lounge before. There is a simplified buffet downstairs + 4 wines (2 red / 2 white) + Champagne. There is a dedicated person downstairs to take care of the buffet, cleaning tables, serving you drinks, etc ^

My personal lounge dragon ;) came after boarding of AF055 to advise us that the Ultimate area was now free and so we could move upstairs if we wished. But we were very well downstairs so we stayed there. She asked us if we wanted to benefit from the night service, in order to book us a table. Answer was yes of course and so she asked at what time we wanted to have dinner ^. When she finished her service, she came to introduce us 2 of her colleagues who would now take care of us.
The P room has also a few tables for dining and there is a specific menu. I asked to see the P room to take pictures for this review. As there were some P pax in flying on AF055, I saw the room after boarding of this flight.
The service for dinner was very attentive and the 2 wines I had with my meal were excellent. For those who don't know the principle of the night service, you have in the lounge the meal you would have had on-board, so you can maximize sleeping time on short flights like IAD-CDG. The IAD lounge is the 2nd AF lounge with JFK T1 proposing this in the USA. You can see the menu on a picture below.

After dinner, the lift leading to the downstairs part was cordoned. The staff told me that we could go back there if we wished but they removed the buffet to concentrate on the upstairs one. We decided to go to the Ultimate area instead.
Overall, a very nice renovation, extension and introduction of the night service + great staff caring ++ for Ultimate pax. I now only wish they could extend the in-lounge dining to the earlier AF055 flight and also to AF023 & AF007 in JFK and introduce this service in BOS and YUL.

Now it's time to look at the pictures :)

The upper level room, bar and buffet
On the 4th picture, you can see the Ultimate reserved space at the back
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The Ultimate corner (upper level)
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a0dc72b65e.jpg
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The dining room at upper level
Used as extra seating place before night service

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...93741f047d.jpg
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Tables dressed for in-lounge dining

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The new lower level room

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c687bcba6d.jpg
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The P-class dedicated room
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5e8346417e.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...2dd28a0faa.jpg

SDQBound Sep 5, 19 9:19 am

Looks very good! Thanks for the detailed report!

tbaiyun Sep 5, 19 10:16 am


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31490955)
I now only wish they could extend the in-lounge dining to the earlier AF055 flight and also to AF023 & AF007 in JFK and introduce this service in BOS and YUL.

I would die for the night service in YUL but I am afraid the size of the YUL lounge pretty much limits that.

Goldorak Sep 5, 19 1:42 pm


Originally Posted by tbaiyun (Post 31493683)
I would die for the night service in YUL but I am afraid the size of the YUL lounge pretty much limits that.

you are correct but may be they could use the left part of the lounge (left, from the lift) for the dining area.

Zarmakuizz Sep 6, 19 9:47 am

Oh, there was a lower level room as well, good catch! I'd like to meet you in a lounge once, you sure might have a lot of airline stories. :)

Goldorak Sep 11, 19 2:09 pm

#nldogbert has posted some information about MXP lounges in the Skyteam forum
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/skyt...l#post31515046

Goldorak Sep 15, 19 8:04 am

JFK Term 1 AF lounge - some more pictures
 

Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 30789639)
Indeed. Great improvement. I just flew on AF009 and it is the 1st time I was trying the in-lounge dining and this is great (I usually fly on earlier flights from JFK, so never tried it before - this being said, I don't understand why AF is restricting this to AF011 and AF009). The service was very good by the contract staff in the lounge (I will forgive them for serving a huge amount of champagne in a wine glass ;) ).
They should do that too for BOS, YUL and IAD flights (+ extend to all JFK flights). For IAD, the renovated lounge will have 2 floors, so may be that's what they're going to do ?


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Unfortunately, there was no reserved space for Ulti during my visit...:mad:
I will develop the Ulti aspect of this new visit in JFK in the Ulti thread.

I am posting a few more pictures and information about the JFK AF lounge. I arrived very early at the lounge (12:45) in connection to DL to AF023, so I had plenty of time :)
At that time the lounge was very quiet and I believe the very few persons who were there were PP pass holders. For once, after several very bad Ultimate experiences at JFK, I had my first very good Ulti exp here. I was very nicely welcomed by the AF agent at the lounge. He explained me that the mezzanine was opening soon at 1pm. Once open, I was advised to move to the mezzanine where he instructed the team to dress a dinner table for an Ultimate passenger who wanted to have lunch. I was very happy to learn that Ulti pax can benefit from the « night service » at any time, for all flights ^
for most of my meal, I had all the mezzanine fr myself, which was very nice as this lounge gets crowded as you know. While I was having lunch, they were dressing all tables for the rush hours to come and they were reserving several tables for Ultimates. Apparently, this was a Ultimate-heavy day :D

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...bc5a27040.jpeg
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I also asked the lounge attendant if I could have a slot booked at the La Prairie spa. He said that it is opening at 2:45 and that they hold a few slots for P pax but they become available if the P pax are not arrived yet or wants another time. He came back 30 min later to tell me that the 2:45 slot was OK for me ^
Very nice spa where you can have a 20 min free facial massage. I recommend it if you have time.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...781821ea2.jpeg
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About the room reserved for P pax upstairs, at one moment, the door was open so I took this picture of the dining area from the corridor (I didn’t want to enter the room, as obviously there were some P pax inside).

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b735346fa.jpeg

Overall, a great lounge now :) ^

Goldorak Sep 15, 19 12:55 pm

GOT - Göteborg Landvetter - Menzies Vinga lounge
 
Name of the lounge: Göteborg Landvetter (GOT) - Menzies Vinga lounge

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...9e8af4cbae.jpg

Location : landside, above gate 18

Opening Hours: open at 5 am? Closes between 18:45 to 9:15 pm depending on days.

Entry requirements: usual ST requirements

Food offer : very limited and poor. Basically, just a salad bar with something looking like reconstituted chicken :(. Add to this crisps and peanuts and that's it... :td:

Drinks offer : Like in the ARN Menzies lounge, red and white wines "ŕ la tireuse"...OMG :(, tap water, soft drinks

Services
Wifi: yes
Showers: no
Toilets: no (outside, very close to the lounge)
Quiet zone: no
Loungers/sleep area: no
Business area: no
Spa: no
TV area: np
Passengers are called: no
Information screen: yes
Newspapers: just 2 o 3 Swedish newspapers

Other information
Number of seats: around 40
Level of noise: medium
Design: bof...
View: superb view on apron
Multi floors: no
Terrace: no
Smoking area: no
Direct boarding: no

Overall a poor lounge, saved by the great view on airport ops.


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Some plane spotting from the lounge ;)

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joyu12 Sep 18, 19 4:13 am


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31527901)
Name of the lounge: Göteborg Landvetter (GOT) - Menzies Vinga lounge

Drinks offer : Like in the ARN Menzies lounge, red and white wines "ŕ la tireuse"...OMG :(, tap water, soft drinks

Why does this seem to be a recurring theme in Scandinavian airport lounges? :confused: Oslo also has wines "on tap" which i have never tried...

Goldorak Sep 18, 19 1:48 pm


Originally Posted by joyu12 (Post 31537245)
Why does this seem to be a recurring theme in Scandinavian airport lounges? :confused: Oslo also has wines "on tap" which i have never tried...

Obviously no wine culture in those countries ;)

Goldorak Sep 22, 19 2:17 pm

Mexico City (MEX)
 
Matmatlr has reported in the FB Ultimate thread that there is a new AF-branded and operated lounge in MEX.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/31550921-post2266.html

Note that AF website still mentions the Grand Elite lounge used previously.


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