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Goldorak May 20, 19 1:13 pm


Originally Posted by PeanutYYZ (Post 31119434)
On a related note, since 2G is also Schengen, would it be possible to go from 2F to 2G (on the orange shuttle) to use the lounge there? Or do they again check boarding passes and prevent access unless you are leaving from those gates?

I believe you don't realize the hassles to commute between 2F and 2G just for the purpose of visiting the lounge ! There's nothing in the 2G lounge that you won't have in the 2F one, with the exception of the Champagne ;)

Goldorak May 20, 19 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by dcaiadflyer (Post 31119850)
I'm curious about this too! Flying out next Sunday, May 26, and will report back. It was supposed to be finished "Spring 2019" and then "late April 2019" but here in DC we are decidedly into summer weather (the slow construction and constant pushing back of deadlines are no stranger to us). Memorial Day weekend is kind of the beginning of the high season of USA to Europe travel and I'd be surprised if they hadn't pushed it to be finished by then.

There were recent info here :
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-...d-lounges.html
I will have also first hand information later this week.

San Gottardo May 21, 19 4:37 am


Originally Posted by PeanutYYZ (Post 31120031)
At ZRH I've been able to get through this by just saying "I'm going to the lounge", but maybe the French are stricter about this ;) Thanks for the info!

The difference is not between two countries with the same rule and one applying it more strictly than the other. The difference is that the Swiss are more pragmatic for this matter ("if you have a passport that lets you go through immigration and you are cleared through security then we don't care where you walk around") and the French less so ("You cannot pass security here because you fly from somewhere else. This is for security reasons. If you go to your departure terminal you are not dangerous. However, if you go into this terminal you are considered a danger. Also, if you see a manned immigration counter, they will check your passport and your boarding pass to make sure you really leave the country. If you go through the automatic gate we don't care").

The CDG situation is absurd. Which results in you being allowed to use only the concourse/terminal from which you depart.

PS: off-topic, but there is a absurdity in the security setup in Zurich as well, albeit of a different kind. When you arrive on LX from certain countries (UK, USA, Canada, Singapore, I believe also Japan) you disembark straight into the secure airside part of the airport and can go to your connecting flight without passing through security again. If you land from those same countries but on AA, DL, UA, BA, CX etc, you disembark in the "unsafe" arrivals area and will have to go through security to get your connecting flight. This is especially absurd in the case of flights from New York JFK to Zurich: both LX and DL leave from *exactly* the same concourse in JFK, often use neighbouring gates. Passengers for those flights go through *exactly* the same TSA security check points. When arriving in Zurich, passengers off the LX flight ar econsidered "clean", the ones arriving on the DL flight are not. Absurd. Just to show that being pragmatic in one matter does not prevent you from being absurd in another.

NickB May 21, 19 8:34 am


Originally Posted by San Gottardo (Post 31122792)
The CDG situation is absurd. Which results in you being allowed to use only the concourse/terminal from which you depart.

It is not really a question of "absurdity" as such but of whether airside areas are zones which, in principle, should be open to the public at large or whether these are restricted zones, access to which should be limited to those who have a need to be there.

Both ZRH and CDG or, for that matter, most airports take the latter view: you are in principle only allowed to access airside if you need to be there, that is to say, for passengers, you need to fly from there. The general public cannot, in either ZRH or CDG, go airside merely because they want to. AIUI you could not, for instance, go airside in ZRH anymore than in CDG merely because you want to go to a shop there or see a friend or relative to their departure gate. The difference between CDG and ZRH is that CDG, like a number of other airports such as LHR, applies a stricter version of the same principle by limiting access just to the specific terminal you are departing from rather than the whole of the airside area.

It is no more "absurd" to limit passenger access to the airside area of terminals they are departing from than it is to limit airside access to passengers rather than all and sundry, whether or not they fly from the airport or merely visit it. If you accept that airside access should be restricted to passengers, that is to say to persons who need to be there, then it is not especially illogical or absurd to restrict access to the specific part of the airside area they need access to for their flight.

Now, you can make an argument that airside access should be more widely open and not limited to passengers but that is a different issue and not a question of "absurdity".

Goldorak May 23, 19 3:15 pm


Originally Posted by dcaiadflyer (Post 31119850)
I'm curious about this too! Flying out next Sunday, May 26, and will report back. It was supposed to be finished "Spring 2019" and then "late April 2019" but here in DC we are decidedly into summer weather (the slow construction and constant pushing back of deadlines are no stranger to us). Memorial Day weekend is kind of the beginning of the high season of USA to Europe travel and I'd be surprised if they hadn't pushed it to be finished by then.


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31120589)
There were recent info here :
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-...d-lounges.html
I will have also first hand information later this week.

Based on the report of someone I know who was in this lounge yesterday, it is reopen for the 1st part (the space we knew from the former lounge), but it seems the lower floor is not open yet. I understood that the left part when you enter (the ex-P part) is not anymore the P-reserved part and that there are some tables there now.
@dcaiadflyer : as you will be there soon, please tell us more and if possible, post pictures :)

Goldorak May 23, 19 4:17 pm

more info about renovated IAD lounge
 

Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31132153)
Based on the report of someone I know who was in this lounge yesterday, it is reopen for the 1st part (the space we knew from the former lounge), but it seems the lower floor is not open yet. I understood that the left part when you enter (the ex-P part) is not anymore the P-reserved part and that there are some tables there now.
@dcaiadflyer : as you will be there soon, please tell us more and if possible, post pictures :)

Some more info from the interview of Carole Peytavin on Flightreport
https://blog.flight-report.com/fr/en...ntee-en-gamme/


Les vols au départ de Washington ont une forte proportion de clients fréquents en Première et en Business exigeants en quête d’efficacité qui souhaitent optimiser leur déplacement et arriver à Paris frais et dispos pour leur rendez-vous.
Notre nouveau salon offrira 25% de surface en plus avec maintenant 615 M2 repartis sur 2 niveaux et 155 places assises.
Comme à New York, le salon proposera le night service pour le vol AF027 de 21h10 qui permet de diner au salon et de profiter au maximum du vol pour se reposer gr ce également au service café croissant express qui séduit de nombreux passagers.
On y trouvera également un bar avec une offre d’alcools, spiritueux, bières et vins servis par un barman, une salle à manger du même type qu’au salon 2EL de CDG et un espace VIP dédié à notre clientèle La Première.
Le nouvel espace situé à l’étage inférieur offre un superbe ciel lumineux qui change au gré de l’heure et permet de se détendre avant de partir. C’est une belle réalisation qui devrait recevoir un accueil très positif de nos clients et que nous avons h te d’inaugurer.
translation:
Flights departing from Washington have a high proportion of frequent business class and first class demanding customers looking for efficiency who want to optimize their travel and get to Paris fresh and ready for their appointment.
Our new lounge will offer 25% more space with 615 M2 spread over 2 floors and 155 seats.
As in New York, the lounge will offer the "night service" for flight AF027 from 21:10 which allows dinner in the lounge to rest during most of the flight
There is also a bar with an offer of alcoholic beverages, spirits, beers and wines served by a bartender, a dining room of the same type as the 2EL lounge of CDG and a VIP area dedicated to our La Première customers.
The new space on the lower level offers a beautiful, bright sky that changes over time and allows you to relax before departing. This is a beautiful achievement that should receive a very positive response from our customers and that we are eager to inaugurate.

dcaiadflyer May 23, 19 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31132153)
Based on the report of someone I know who was in this lounge yesterday, it is reopen for the 1st part (the space we knew from the former lounge), but it seems the lower floor is not open yet. I understood that the left part when you enter (the ex-P part) is not anymore the P-reserved part and that there are some tables there now.
@dcaiadflyer : as you will be there soon, please tell us more and if possible, post pictures :)

Assuming it's not too crowded due to it not being fully open yet and they let let this lowly Delta GM/STE+ in, I will take some photos on Sunday and report back!

San Gottardo May 23, 19 6:16 pm


Originally Posted by NickB (Post 31123465)
It is not really a question of "absurdity" as such but of whether airside areas are zones which, in principle, should be open to the public at large or whether these are restricted zones, access to which should be limited to those who have a need to be there....

Based on the way I wrote it, you are right. The way I wrote it sounds as if I found absurd that not every person can go airside.

What I wanted (and obviously failed to say is): in Zurich any *passenger* flying that day can access any air-side departure part of any concourse of the airport. In Paris passengers on the day of departure can only access the concourse/terminal they are flying from.

What I find absurd in Paris are two things:
1) The reason given by staff for why a ticketed passenger cannot enter another terminal/concourse: "for security reasons". To take an example: I want to go to the lounge in 2F, but my flight leaves from 2E. What exactly is it that compromises security if I am in the air-side departure area of 2F even though my flight leaves from 2E? Why does the fact that I am air-side in the terminal from which my flight leaves make me an un-dangerous person, but I suddenly become a dangerous person in a different terminal only because my flight does not leave from there? Shouldn't the criteria for whether or not someone is dangerous be whether or not that person passes the security controls successfully, rather than whether or not his/her flight leaves from that terminal?

2) Immigration officers refusing entry into the air-side when the boarding pass doesn't show a departure from that concourse/terminal. Since when is final destination a criteria for whether or not someone is allowed to leave the country? What matters is someone has travel documents that are in order and allow passing the border, but not where that person goes after having passed the border. So basically, by refusing people who leave from another terminal the immigration officers are not applying immigration rules but some other rules.
That becomes absurd when you then realise that the rule of not being able to pass immigration with a boarding pass from another terminal is only applied to passengers who pass by a manned counter. Those using PARAFE biometric gates with the right travel documents are allowed to pass the border without their boarding pass and final destination being checked. There shouldn't be different criteria for passing the border depending on whether you pass by a manned agent or whether you use PARAFE.

The Zurich absurdity really is absurd: why are people that go through one and the same security filter in JFK and board their flight at one and the same concourse at JFK Terminal 4 treated as "clean arrivals" when they arrive on board an LX plane but as "unclean arrivals" when they arrive on board a DL plane? Shouldn't security procedures in the departing airport be the criteria for whether or not an arrival is "clean", rather than which airline is being used?

Goldorak Jun 1, 19 6:47 am

From AgentConnect :

Air France ouvre son nouveau salon à Washington

28/05/2019

Le 15 mai 2019, Air France a ouvert son salon entièrement rénové de l'aéroport de Washington (IAD).

Entièrement rénové et agrandi, le salon dispose désormais de 2 niveaux (le niveau inférieur ouvrira en juin)
Le bar, un élément iconique propose une sélection d'alcools, de spiritueux et de vins.
Une atmosphère moderne et élégante dans l'esprit des nouveaux salons Air France : luminaires, larges banquettes circulaires, fauteuils enveloppants invitant au confort et à la convivialité.
Un espace dédié à l’offre «Night Service» accueillera les clients dès fin mai.

Somnifer Jun 14, 19 8:27 am

I have an award business class ticket on AF011 from JFK to Paris. I know I can't have a lounge guest free of charge, but can I pay for a guest?

Goldorak Jun 14, 19 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by Somnifer (Post 31202331)
I have an award business class ticket on AF011 from JFK to Paris. I know I can't have a lounge guest free of charge, but can I pay for a guest?

Yes for 50 USD or 6000 miles, if there is space (note that this is not obvious as this is a peak time). I believe your guest needs to be a FB member but I am not sure they are strict on this.

Somnifer Jun 14, 19 6:39 pm


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31203567)
Yes for 50 USD or 6000 miles, if there is space (note that this is not obvious as this is a peak time). I believe your guest needs to be a FB member but I am not sure they are strict on this.


Thanks, Goldorak! I guess we'll have to go there and ask if there is space.

Goldorak Jun 15, 19 2:45 am

Questions for SCL and PEK regulars :
- SCL : any news about the ST lounge that was supposed to open end 2018. It seems it's still not open. What's happening ? Any info from anyone here ?
- PEK : in the wiki, we have information about temporary (?) closure of the ST lounge end 2018. What's the status now ?
Thanks

solomita Jun 17, 19 11:32 am

Re Paris not allowing you into terminals other than your flight's terminal, I propose a different way to look at it. The airport has chosen to simplify its own internal policies at your expense. If people can move around between different terminals, then they need to have policies about it, need to provide staff to check you as you move between terminals. This is easier/lazier for them.

I'm facing a similar annoying issue in HKG where, if on arrival you follow the signs for Transit in order to shower in a nice lounge, you CANNOT leave the airport afterwards and go into town. Why? Dunno.


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