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Coder33 Oct 27, 19 4:15 am


Originally Posted by scottie920 (Post 31670299)
I thought American Airways was with LATAM would be strange if delta followed suit. May I ask where you read this?

French version : https://www.air-journal.fr/2019-09-2...s-5215231.html

Translation "Delta just acquired 20% of LATAM' group for 1.9B$ and will get a chair in LATAM' board" -- Following this, LATAM announced that they will be leaving OW soon, who used to be the link with AA.

enox5 Oct 27, 19 5:59 am


Originally Posted by San Gottardo (Post 31470117)
i don't think that many people will be using showers at that time of day, so you shouldn't have a long wait.

You won't be able to choose the 2E lounge yourself, you can only use the lounge in the concourse you are departing from.

I had a 2 hours stay at the AF Lounge in 2E, Hall M, and I thought it was really good. I was there at 10.20am, and it was busy - both myself and my wife got a spa treatment straight away. So there should not be a wait for a shower at 5am!

I would also note that there was free flowing French Champagne - which I appreciated! I have written a full trip report if you want more details and to look at all of the photos

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The drinks selection
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Self Service champagne

nwflyboy Oct 27, 19 10:27 am

Many thanks, Goldorak, very helpful and concise reply. ^


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31670188)
yes, this is correct.

Cool. FWIW, I think the Delta lounge is the best in SEA (at least in my experience), and my spouse likes it. A good place to start to a long journey.


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31670188)
In theory as you are in transit, yes you can access the lounge in the concourse from where your flight to IST will depart from, but knowing that you want to go downtown Paris, this is not the best to do. I strongly recommend you to take the bagage claim/exit way, pass immigration and customs and go to the AF arrival lounge that is landside in 2C (it will require you 10-15min walking from customs). There you can have a shower and breakfast before heading to Paris.

Ah, so it sounds like the "rule" is that transit passengers (or departing passengers) have access only to the lounge in the concourse where their departing gate is -- I had assumed that one was free to go to any lounge in any concourse, but apparently not. The other option (as you suggest) for "arriving" passengers (or those in transit who have time to go landside) is to use the arrivals lounge after exiting customs. That does sound like the best option for us in this case. Worth noting: we will probably have a checked bag. I assume that we can leave that checked all the way through to IST and we will not need to claim that and deal with it, just take our carry-on bag with personal belongings for our afternoon in Paris. So the arrivals lounge as you suggest sounds good.


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31670188)
The SkyTeam lounge is due to open anytime soon but we don’t have any fresh information to share. Its opening should have happened several months ago already, so a lot of delay. So, next spring, I think it is safe to say that it will be open. At the moment, as you rightly pointed out, AF is using the IGA lounge. Whatever lounge they use, you won’t be able to use it as an arrival lounge.

No status, so we will probably do without an arrivals lounge in IST. We will not be there for many hours so I think we will just make do in the new airport without a lounge for this connection. Not a big deal.

For departure from IST on our return, we will hope to check out the new SkyTeam lounge. I assume there will be reviews of it in this thread soon after it opens, so I will be watching things here.


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31670188)
6hrs is a bit short indeed and I recommend you to stay at the airport. You will have access to the AF lounge in the concourse your flight to SEA will depart from. All 2E lounges have shower facilities and a Clarins spa offering free 15 min facial massages. The waiting list can be long, so make sure you register as soon as you arrive in the lounge to have a slot at a convenient time for you.

So, it seems that passengers are expected to use the lounge in their departure concourse, and one is not free to try a different lounge in another concourse - correct? I can certainly live with that, although with 6 hours in the airport, I will probably want to stretch my legs a bit anyway (a facial massage does sounds nice, too).

I believe that AF offers some kind of "dine in the lounge before departure" option in some cases. Is this an option for us with a mid-day departure from CDG? Probably not a big deal either way, for lunch, but maybe worth knowing about. Perhaps a better way to pass the time: are there any reasonable options for a quiet space to catch a nap for a few hours?

Many thanks again for the helpful response and very useful info!

ok986 Oct 27, 19 12:02 pm


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 31670159)
Do you mean an update compared to what’s written in the wiikipost above and linking to this review ?
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30424812-post790.html
Because it was already known it was airside. And I visited it also last spring and added an info in the wiki that a new Jet lounge was planned for 2020-2021.
Thanks for your clarifications ;)

Many apologies, it's the same one... my bad, sorry!

Btw, I'd swear that the seating area which can be seen to the left of the smokers' lounge is not there, but then I was there at 5:30am, and had no coffee, so I might have missed it. Sorry again!

Fabo.sk Oct 27, 19 1:20 pm


Originally Posted by ok986 (Post 31669960)
I haven't seen an update on the JET Lounge in Vienna: the lounge is now airside, right after the security to the left (not upstairs). The amenities (incl food and drinks) and furniture are the same, but the lounge is slightly smaller (roughly size of the old JET lounge without the annex). On a Sunday at 5:30 am, it was packed with holiday-goers. There's a small smokers' cabin in the lounge (about a size of two phone booths).Bathrooms and baby changing room are within the lounge.

You mean to the right, yes? Off the security, past the Besucher Welt gates, and then to the right and "back" is the gate entry which looks like a corridor into nowhere.


Originally Posted by ok986 (Post 31671436)
Many apologies, it's the same one... my bad, sorry!

Btw, I'd swear that the seating area which can be seen to the left of the smokers' lounge is not there, but then I was there at 5:30am, and had no coffee, so I might have missed it. Sorry again!

I do believe that the seating arrangement was changed. I can't tell if it is not there, or just looks different, but I have passed this lounge several times in the last year and it didn't look quite like this.

btw: the reviewer notes that there is no lounge in C gates, but C gates are just upstairs & a short walk from this lounge. Maybe 5 minutes, 10 at most of leisurely walk.

Goldorak Oct 27, 19 1:52 pm


Originally Posted by scottie920 (Post 31670299)
I thought American Airways was with LATAM would be strange if delta followed suit. May I ask where you read this?

Where have you been this last month ;) ? It was all over the aviation news !! DL is taking 20% of LATAM who is leaving OW and, as a consequence, DL is going away from GOL. Some reading for you, but just google the subject and you'll find tons of things:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ake-latam.html

Goldorak Oct 27, 19 2:11 pm


Originally Posted by nwflyboy (Post 31671169)
Worth noting: we will probably have a checked bag. I assume that we can leave that checked all the way through to IST and we will not need to claim that and deal with it, just take our carry-on bag with personal belongings for our afternoon in Paris. So the arrivals lounge as you suggest sounds good.

Yes, your bags will be checked to final destination (IST) without need to collect them in CDG. For your carryons, in case you need, there is a storage place (for a fee) above the train station that is half-way between 2E and 2C (so, on your way to the arrival lounge).


Originally Posted by nwflyboy (Post 31671169)
For departure from IST on our return, we will hope to check out the new SkyTeam lounge. I assume there will be reviews of it in this thread soon after it opens, so I will be watching things here.

I hope too. I am going to IST in november, so I will post any new information here.



Originally Posted by nwflyboy (Post 31671169)
So, it seems that passengers are expected to use the lounge in their departure concourse, and one is not free to try a different lounge in another concourse - correct? I can certainly live with that, although with 6 hours in the airport, I will probably want to stretch my legs a bit anyway (a facial massage does sounds nice, too).

Yes, this is correct. Note that some posters here have reported having been able to go to a different lounge, but I sincerely do not recommend this to you. The pax flow in CDG has not been done to favor lounge hopping and so it's a bit too much of pain IMO and it does not worth it.


Originally Posted by nwflyboy (Post 31671169)
I believe that AF offers some kind of "dine in the lounge before departure" option in some cases. Is this an option for us with a mid-day departure from CDG? Probably not a big deal either way, for lunch, but maybe worth knowing about. Perhaps a better way to pass the time: are there any reasonable options for a quiet space to catch a nap for a few hours?

Hot food is available for lunch I think from 11 or 11:30 am. There is also hot breakfast in the morning. Otherwise you have the cold buffet available all the time.
For a quiet space, the 2E-L and M lounges have one. No such space in the 2E-K lounge as far as I remember.


Originally Posted by nwflyboy (Post 31671169)
Many thanks again for the helpful response and very useful info!

You are very welcome :)

Goldorak Oct 27, 19 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by ok986 (Post 31671436)
Many apologies, it's the same one... my bad, sorry!

Btw, I'd swear that the seating area which can be seen to the left of the smokers' lounge is not there, but then I was there at 5:30am, and had no coffee, so I might have missed it. Sorry again!

No problem ;)
Thank you for having taken the time to post some information here !

AlvinMaker Oct 28, 19 12:19 pm

Milan Linate (LIN) just reopened on Sunday but apparently the 3-months closing wasn't enough to refurbish the Alitalia lounge used by AF, which stays closed until Nov 17 included. A ten-minute wait at the nearby Alitalia counter will grant a voucher for a sandwich+water at either the nearby coffee shop Caffè Milano (that has a total of 16 seats), or Illy downstairs (high tables but no seats).

The departure gates downstairs (bus boarding) still have a low seating space for even just one flight - many PAX standing or sitting on the floor.

Goldorak Nov 2, 19 6:20 am

AMS - new non-Schengen KL lounge
 
I have posted pictures of the new (almost totally open) KL non-Schengen lounge in AMS here :
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/31684340-post326.html
this is in the KL forum and the thread to which this post belong contains a lot of additional information, including about the paid restaurant and bar.

Goldorak Nov 5, 19 3:43 pm

GVA
 
As per the investor day presentation, there will be a new (or renovated ?) lounge in GVA in 2020.
https://www.airfranceklm.com/en/news...estor-day-2019

LAX/HKG Nov 6, 19 11:36 pm

Infrequent AF flyer here. Flying LAX-CDG-PRG in J. I have a few questions.

1. Will I arrive at 2E and depart at 2F of CDG?
2. Is it correct that I will be using the 2F lounges in CDG?
3. How are the 2F lounges compared to 2E? Any shower facilities at the 2F lounges?
4. Am I allowed to stay at 2E for the lounges before going to 2F for my connecting flight?

Thanks in advance for your response.

Porcepic Nov 7, 19 2:36 am

1. Yes (as long as your CDG-PRG is operated by AF and not CSA that operates from 2D). You can't know in advance at which hall you will arrive at 2E.
2. Yes, you will use the lounge of your departure terminal.
3. They are smaller but still good, food selection is more or less the same. Showers are also available at lounges.
4. You will have to pass security to go to the 2E lounges. And it is more than probable that security agents would not let you go through and will direct you directly to 2F.

Goldorak Nov 11, 19 3:42 pm

IST - Istanbul new airport
 
IST - Istanbul new airport

Name of the lounge : Skyteam lounge
I am pleased to inform you that the new Skyteam lounge is now open for about 2 weeks.


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Overall same style and same size as the Atatürk one. The lounge was empty during my visit (we were max 5 guests in) and this was very pleasant (the lounges are so horribly crowded now that I really appreciate an empty lounge).

There has been no news released at all by Skyteam (the ST site still shows Atatürk as the IST airport and with the old lounge and saying that only SU has access to it :rolleyes:). AF and KL sites are also not updated and still indicate the IGA lounge they temporarily used before the ST one.

Also, please note that, as of today, there is no signage at all in the terminal about this lounge. You need to follow the IGA lounge signs. The 2 lounges are adjacent.

Location : after immigration and security, turn left, continue through the duty free area and go upstairs on the left. The lounge is on the mezzanine adjacent to the IGA lounge (follow the IGA lounge signs).

Opening Hours : not checked, but I believe it is open 24/24 as AF still has this horrible flight in the middle of the night.

Entry requirements: usual ST requirements

Food offer : hot food consists in vegetables, rice and potatoes. I haven’t seen any meat or fish, but I was at non-meal times. Some not bad cold items. See pictures:


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Drinks offer : usual soft drinks. There is an attended bar for alcoholic beverages. For wines, it is Turkish wine.


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Services
Wifi: yes (specific network, a bit slow)

Showers: yes

Toilets: yes

Quiet zone: no

Loungers/sleep area: no

Business area: no. There is a VIP room. As an Ultimate, I was not invited in

Spa: no

TV area: there is one TV

Passengers are called: no

Information screen: yes

Newspapers: yes

Other information
Number of seats: about 50

Level of noise: low but the lounge was almost empty

Design: usual ST lounges design

View: on duty free area only

Multi floors: no

Terrace: it is on a mezzanine inside the terminal, overlooking the duty free area. Unfortunately, you have a view on the roof of the duty-free shops, filled with stones. They could do much better with plants, as this is very ugly at the moment.

Smoking area: no

Direct boarding: no


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Goldorak Nov 17, 19 9:59 am

BCN Terminal 1 – Salon VIP Pau Casals (UPDATED REVIEW)
 
Name of the lounge: Salon VIP Pau Casals

This is an update of an already reviewed lounge in Dec 2015 (post #189), but this lounge has been fully renovated and extended. It has always been one of my favourite lounge in Europe and the renovation/extension is superb !


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Location Terminal 1, after security, go down to the main floor and take the escalator or lift on the right. The lounge is on the mezzanine overlooking the beautiful terminal 1 of BCN.

Opening Hours: 5:00 am – 23:30 pm

Entry requirements : usual AF/KL requirements (note that this lounge is open to many airlines as you can see on the picture above). Possibility of paid access for 33,9 Euros. Priority pass accepted

Food offer : I was there outside meal time so I believe the food selection was more limited. It was limited to a nice selection of cheese and cold cuts + a few cakes. There are more food options at meal times. You can see the details of offering and meal times on a picture below. There are also kosher, halal, gluten-free options available.

Drinks offer : cold drinks, sodas, full selection of liquors and Spanish wines

Services
Wifi: yes
Showers: yes
Toilets: yes
Quiet zone: no
Loungers/sleep area: no
Business area: yes (separate room)
Spa: yes (see menu and price on a picture below)
TV area: no
Passengers are called: no
Information screen: yes
Newspapers: yes

Other information
Number of seats: about 200
Level of noise: low (but occupancy was medium when I was there)
Design: very modern. Very nice
View: overlooking the terminal from a mezzanine, but limited view on apron
Multi floors: no
Terrace: no
Smoking area: no
Direct boarding: no


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