Jul 21, 2015, 3:15 am
Last edit by: FN-GM
LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Code:
F-GSPA – NEV4 F-GSPE – NEV4 F-GSPM – NEV4 F-GSPZ – NEV4
Code:
F-GSPD F-GSPP
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Code:
F-GSPB – BEST F-GSPC – BEST F-GSPF – BEST F-GSPG – BEST F-GSPH – BEST F-GSPI – BEST F-GSPJ - BEST F-GSPK – BEST F-GSPQ – BEST F-GSPR – BEST F-GSPS – BEST F-GSPT – BEST F-GSPU – BEST F-GSPV – BEST F-GSPX – BEST F-GSPY – BESTor
Code:
F-GSPL – BEST F-GSPO – BEST F-GSPN – BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Code:
All Converted to BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Code:
F-GSQD – NEV4 F-GSQE – NEV4 F-GZNH – NEV4 F-GZNI – NEV4 F-GZNJ - NEV4 F-GZNK – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Code:
F-GSQA – BEST F-GSQB – BEST F-GSQC – BEST F-GSQF – BEST F-GSQG – BEST F-GSQH – BEST F-GSQI – BEST F-GSQJ – BEST F-GSQK – BEST F-GSQL – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GSQM – BEST F-GSQU - BEST F-GSQV – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GZNA – BEST F-GZNB - BEST F-GZNC – BEST F-GZND - BEST F-GZNE – BESTor
Code:
F-GSQN – NEV4 F-GSQO – NEV4 F-GSQP – NEV4 F-GSQR – NEV4 F-GSQS – NEV4 F-GSQT – NEV4 F-GSQX – NEV4 F-GZNF – NEV4 F-GZNG – NEV4 F-GZNL – NEV4 F-GZNN – NEV4 F-GZNO – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
Code:
F-GZNP – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015) F-GZNQ – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015) F-GZNR – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015) F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)
777 New Cabins - Deployment Schedule
Jun 26, 2015, 12:38 am
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Jun 26, 2015, 1:49 am
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Jun 26, 2015, 4:21 am
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Given their poor load in premium cabins, AF seems to be offering paid upgrades from Y to J on a fairly systematic basis. That could lead to the behavior of booking tickets in a lower class and counting on a paid upgrade offer. I assume that AF systems will not offer the option to repeat "offenders". Apparently BA is doing the same.
Jun 26, 2015, 6:21 am
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Given their poor load in premium cabins, AF seems to be offering paid upgrades from Y to J on a fairly systematic basis. That could lead to the behavior of booking tickets in a lower class and counting on a paid upgrade offer. I assume that AF systems will not offer the option to repeat "offenders". Apparently BA is doing the same.
Did they expect / hope a usual Y pax to pay for J ,?
Maybe to avoid an usual J pax to pay for Y and still end up in J at the lowest cost of cash upgrade.
Maybe the system make the difference before offering an upgrade of what class of service you're used to pay.
Jun 26, 2015, 7:40 am
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what's the logic behind not offering a cash upgrade to the same person ?
Did they expect / hope a usual Y pax to pay for J ,?
Maybe to avoid an usual J pax to pay for Y and still end up in J at the lowest cost of cash upgrade.
Maybe the system make the difference before offering an upgrade of what class of service you're used to pay.
Did they expect / hope a usual Y pax to pay for J ,?
Maybe to avoid an usual J pax to pay for Y and still end up in J at the lowest cost of cash upgrade.
Maybe the system make the difference before offering an upgrade of what class of service you're used to pay.
If you have been offered several times in a row, you might change your purchasing behavior. That would not apply to big corporate clients where the travel policy is rather inflexible, but small companies, wealthy individuals, etc... Same reasoning applies to opup. I would be surprised if the system does not keep track of those free or paid opups linked to the FFP membership. Whether the system also chooses to whom they offer the paid upgrade is another question, and I don't know the answer for AF.
Jun 27, 2015, 12:32 am
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I don't think its actually checked, because every time I fly out of Manchester there is at least one upgrade offer. Either for the Manchester - Paris/AMS or onwards. When I upgraded on check in the app crashed, when I tried again the offer was gone (except for the Man - Paris flight). I tried one more time and it appeared again, and booked it immediately. I had also booked this ticket in the cheapest fare for £380 return during the WOW sale a few months back. Will keep you posted if there is another upgrade offer.
Jun 29, 2015, 12:09 am
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I do not find the thread on BA, but I remember that the argument was indeed to try to avoid frequent business pax to buy in a lower class in the expectation to be upgraded for a "small" cash payment.
If you have been offered several times in a row, you might change your purchasing behavior. That would not apply to big corporate clients where the travel policy is rather inflexible, but small companies, wealthy individuals, etc... Same reasoning applies to opup. I would be surprised if the system does not keep track of those free or paid opups linked to the FFP membership. Whether the system also chooses to whom they offer the paid upgrade is another question, and I don't know the answer for AF.
If you have been offered several times in a row, you might change your purchasing behavior. That would not apply to big corporate clients where the travel policy is rather inflexible, but small companies, wealthy individuals, etc... Same reasoning applies to opup. I would be surprised if the system does not keep track of those free or paid opups linked to the FFP membership. Whether the system also chooses to whom they offer the paid upgrade is another question, and I don't know the answer for AF.
Hoower AA doesn't care of your past purchases and offer kiosk upgrade to everyone the same way (correct me if I'm wrong)
Interesting to know how AF management will offer cash upgrade....
My 5 cents is they won't offer them for the BEST cabin to keep it exclusive.
(BEST is, sorry was, a great seat 5 years ago now it's almost a standard / basic J)
Jun 29, 2015, 10:17 am
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Video of quick change process : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXJg...ature=youtu.be
Jun 29, 2015, 2:36 pm
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Video of quick change process : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXJg...ature=youtu.be
Jun 30, 2015, 6:20 am
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I did not know that 32 777s would be quickchanged. That's a huge amount of work.
assuming half a day per plane (they say possible in ten hours but 12 is probably more reasonable), that is a total of 16 full days, or . If the need 100 staff as claimed, that is a huge cost even if some only work a couple of hours for each change.
And there seems to be such precise work required with thousands of screws and bolts.... That won't be an error free process.
assuming half a day per plane (they say possible in ten hours but 12 is probably more reasonable), that is a total of 16 full days, or . If the need 100 staff as claimed, that is a huge cost even if some only work a couple of hours for each change.
And there seems to be such precise work required with thousands of screws and bolts.... That won't be an error free process.
Jun 30, 2015, 11:24 am
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quick change : does one of the goal is also to avoid free upgrade to BEST or AF doesn't care ?
Jun 30, 2015, 12:08 pm
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Jun 30, 2015, 3:06 pm
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Well, at least they set the bar high, which is a good practice.
Jun 30, 2015, 3:13 pm
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Interestingly, an aircraft fitted with the new cabins (GSPK) has the ORY-FDF-ORY route the other day replacing the COI 77W on the second flight of the day. What a nice surprise for the lucky passengers!
Jul 1, 2015, 11:19 am
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Video of quick change process : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXJg...ature=youtu.be
Non-summer AF3831 10JUL 777-300ER 20rows in Business
Summer AF3884 25JUL 777-300ER 15rows in Business
I cannot check the changes in Premium or Economy (sorry about that...
) but already 5 rows of Business removed means a lot of new seats in Economy, actually much more than what the above short movie seemed to show.But actually, wait a minute... is Premium Economy missing from those new BEST cabin ?
Or does the "summer change" mean that a special Economy section is created between Premium and what is left from Business ?
Or does the change mean that all Premium + 5 rows of Business are removed from 777-300 ER ?
I'm puzzled... but will be able to tell you more later in July for sure.