Jul 21, 2015, 3:15 am
Last edit by: FN-GM
LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Code:
F-GSPA – NEV4 F-GSPE – NEV4 F-GSPM – NEV4 F-GSPZ – NEV4
Code:
F-GSPD F-GSPP
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Code:
F-GSPB – BEST F-GSPC – BEST F-GSPF – BEST F-GSPG – BEST F-GSPH – BEST F-GSPI – BEST F-GSPJ - BEST F-GSPK – BEST F-GSPQ – BEST F-GSPR – BEST F-GSPS – BEST F-GSPT – BEST F-GSPU – BEST F-GSPV – BEST F-GSPX – BEST F-GSPY – BESTor
Code:
F-GSPL – BEST F-GSPO – BEST F-GSPN – BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Code:
All Converted to BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Code:
F-GSQD – NEV4 F-GSQE – NEV4 F-GZNH – NEV4 F-GZNI – NEV4 F-GZNJ - NEV4 F-GZNK – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Code:
F-GSQA – BEST F-GSQB – BEST F-GSQC – BEST F-GSQF – BEST F-GSQG – BEST F-GSQH – BEST F-GSQI – BEST F-GSQJ – BEST F-GSQK – BEST F-GSQL – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GSQM – BEST F-GSQU - BEST F-GSQV – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GZNA – BEST F-GZNB - BEST F-GZNC – BEST F-GZND - BEST F-GZNE – BESTor
Code:
F-GSQN – NEV4 F-GSQO – NEV4 F-GSQP – NEV4 F-GSQR – NEV4 F-GSQS – NEV4 F-GSQT – NEV4 F-GSQX – NEV4 F-GZNF – NEV4 F-GZNG – NEV4 F-GZNL – NEV4 F-GZNN – NEV4 F-GZNO – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
Code:
F-GZNP – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015) F-GZNQ – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015) F-GZNR – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015) F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)
777 New Cabins - Deployment Schedule
Jul 23, 2015, 9:51 am
#316
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My wife and I are scheduled to fly in J on a BEST 772 (quick change) in a few weeks. We are currently assigned seats E and F, but I was wondering whether it is actually easier to see/talk to one another in A and E or F and L given the barrier in between the seats, or whether it's just so difficult that we may as well both assign window seats. Does anyone have an opinion on what's easiest with the new layout? Thanks in advance.
Jul 23, 2015, 11:04 am
#317
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You certainly speak for me. I also loathe 2G, but connections on flights within and between 2E and 2F are far better than they were before.
Jul 23, 2015, 11:05 am
#318
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My wife and I are scheduled to fly in J on a BEST 772 (quick change) in a few weeks. We are currently assigned seats E and F, but I was wondering whether it is actually easier to see/talk to one another in A and E or F and L given the barrier in between the seats, or whether it's just so difficult that we may as well both assign window seats. Does anyone have an opinion on what's easiest with the new layout? Thanks in advance.
Jul 24, 2015, 12:06 am
#319
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BEST program for Winter 2015
The BEST presentation [fr] has been updated.
Here are the new destinations served during winter season:
Vancouver and Wuhan will no longer get BEST-retrofitted aircrafts.
Here are the new destinations served during winter season:
- Boston - AF338/333 - 3 cabins - From Nov 1st, 2015
- Mexico - AF438/439 - 4 cabins - From Feb 15th, 2016
- Buenos Aires / Montevideo - AF394/393 - 3 cabins - From Oct 26th, 2015
- Bangalore - AF192/191 - 3 cabins - From Oct 26th, 2015
- Hong Kong - AF188/185 (only when operated with a 777) - 4 cabins - From Feb 15th, 2016
- Tokyo Narita - AF276/275 - 3/4 cabins mix - From Jan 11th, 2016
- Osaka - AF292/291 - 3 cabins - From Oct 28th, 2015
- Abidjan - AF702/703 - 4 cabins - From Jan 13th, 2016
Vancouver and Wuhan will no longer get BEST-retrofitted aircrafts.
Jul 24, 2015, 7:58 am
#320
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Sorry to repeat my question, but there is an inconsistency between the wiki and the AF document just updated.
The AF document clearly states that ONLY the 77W (777-300) with P will see the new seat in J. All the 3-cabins 77W will have NEV4.
The wiki states that four 3-cabins 77W have BEST J seats (F-GSQI
F-GSQI
F-GZNB
F-GZNC
F-GZND
If AF document is correct, the wiki should cearly state that those planes have old seats in J but new seats in W and Y (whathever that means for W and Y).
The AF document clearly states that ONLY the 77W (777-300) with P will see the new seat in J. All the 3-cabins 77W will have NEV4.
The wiki states that four 3-cabins 77W have BEST J seats (F-GSQI
F-GSQI
F-GZNB
F-GZNC
F-GZND
If AF document is correct, the wiki should cearly state that those planes have old seats in J but new seats in W and Y (whathever that means for W and Y).
Jul 24, 2015, 8:17 am
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Jul 24, 2015, 8:47 am
#322
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Sorry to repeat my question, but there is an inconsistency between the wiki and the AF document just updated.
The AF document clearly states that ONLY the 77W (777-300) with P will see the new seat in J. All the 3-cabins 77W will have NEV4.
The wiki states that four 3-cabins 77W have BEST J seats (F-GSQI
F-GSQI
F-GZNB
F-GZNC
F-GZND
If AF document is correct, the wiki should cearly state that those planes have old seats in J but new seats in W and Y (whathever that means for W and Y).
The AF document clearly states that ONLY the 77W (777-300) with P will see the new seat in J. All the 3-cabins 77W will have NEV4.
The wiki states that four 3-cabins 77W have BEST J seats (F-GSQI
F-GSQI
F-GZNB
F-GZNC
F-GZND
If AF document is correct, the wiki should cearly state that those planes have old seats in J but new seats in W and Y (whathever that means for W and Y).
Let's take F-GZNB, listed in the wiki as 3-cabin with BEST config in J-W-Y : she flew the following routes recently : LBV, GRU, NRT, JFK, HKG.
Out of these destinations, 3 (LBV, GRU, JFK) are announced to be served with 3 cabin with BEST config. Hence the assumption that particular aircraft is equipped with the new seats.
Jul 24, 2015, 9:15 am
#323
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Actually, I am challenging the fact to base the wiki on aircraft registration rather than destinations and configuration type.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
Jul 24, 2015, 9:35 am
#324
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It think in both cases it is challenging :
- some destinations normally served by BEST aircrafts sometimes can see old seats (think YUL, PTY)
- some destinations are served either with 3 or 4 cabin aircrafts (think PEK, PVG, HND, NRT, DXB)
- equipment changes (772/77W) are very frequent
That is why I initially based the wiki on registration but maybe that is a mistake. After all, AF is very inconsistent when it comes to communication on new cabins and we should probably ask our contacts there to provide accurate information.
- some destinations normally served by BEST aircrafts sometimes can see old seats (think YUL, PTY)
- some destinations are served either with 3 or 4 cabin aircrafts (think PEK, PVG, HND, NRT, DXB)
- equipment changes (772/77W) are very frequent
That is why I initially based the wiki on registration but maybe that is a mistake. After all, AF is very inconsistent when it comes to communication on new cabins and we should probably ask our contacts there to provide accurate information.
Jul 24, 2015, 10:05 am
#325
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It think in both cases it is challenging :
- some destinations normally served by BEST aircrafts sometimes can see old seats (think YUL, PTY)
- some destinations are served either with 3 or 4 cabin aircrafts (think PEK, PVG, HND, NRT, DXB)
- equipment changes (772/77W) are very frequent
That is why I initially based the wiki on registration but maybe that is a mistake. After all, AF is very inconsistent when it comes to communication on new cabins and we should probably ask our contacts there to provide accurate information.
- some destinations normally served by BEST aircrafts sometimes can see old seats (think YUL, PTY)
- some destinations are served either with 3 or 4 cabin aircrafts (think PEK, PVG, HND, NRT, DXB)
- equipment changes (772/77W) are very frequent
That is why I initially based the wiki on registration but maybe that is a mistake. After all, AF is very inconsistent when it comes to communication on new cabins and we should probably ask our contacts there to provide accurate information.
A listing by route is also useful, although experience shows that the actual equipment can vary a lot.
Regarding my earlier question: is there a way to obtain knowledge on which J seat appears on 3-cabin 77W? My guess is that AF information is correct and none gets it. I would suggest to update the wiki to remove the impression that a 3-cabin 77W could have the BEST seat in J. "Enhancements" to W and Y are minimal, if any, under the new version, so that is not a significant information. But the difference between the new F/J and old F/J is huge. If all 3-cabins 77W do not get the BEST J seat, I think that some occasional readers might get misled by the current wiki.
Last edited by brunos; Jul 24, 2015 at 10:14 am
Jul 24, 2015, 9:45 pm
#326
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Does anyone know if IAH CGD new cabins have been deployed yet? Thanks
Jul 24, 2015, 9:47 pm
#327
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Jul 29, 2015, 9:47 pm
#328
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A new update for BEST deployment has been posted by AF. As it would take me too much time to compare from the previous version, I put everything here.
- 5 frames end 2014
- 26 frames end 2015 (so 21 retrofitted in 2015)
- 44 frames end 2016 (so 18 retrofitted in 2016)
So total of 44 B777 in BEST out of 62 today in AF fleet ==> 18 B777 will stay in NEV4 (in config 42J or COI/14J).
- in 2017 : beginning of retrofit of the Airbus fleet (except A340 which will be in the process of leaving the fleet).
List of 2014/2015 destinations and date of 1st flight (warning : it doesn't necessarily mean that BEST is present every day on a specific route)
(J) means that this flight has no P and so is equipped with J/W/Y BEST
(P) means that this flight has the 4 BEST cabins (P/J/W/Y).
- LAX (AF072/069): 6 July 2015 (J)
- JFK (AF012/017): 1st june 2015 (J)
- JFK (AF010/011): 27 January 2015 (P)
- JFK (AF008/009): 20 june 2014 (J) and 29 March 15 (P)
- IAD (AF026/027): 6 July 2015 (J)
- YVR (AF374/379): 20 june 2015 (J)
- YYZ (AF356/351): 4 may 2015 (J)
- GRU (AF456/459): 12 January 2015 (J)
- PTY (AF474/475): 14 sept 2015 (J)
- PEK (AF382/381): 12 oct 2015 (P)
- PVG (AF112/107): 10 nov 2014 (J)
- CAN (AF102/107): 29 March 2015 (J)
- WUH (AF132/139): 15 June 2015 (J)
- SIN (AF256/257): 9 June 2015 (J)
- SIN/CGK (AF254/259): 29 sept 2014 (P)
- HND (AF272/279): 26 oct 2014 (J)
- HND (AF274/293): 30 dec 2014 (J) and 14 April 2015 (P)
- DLA/SSH (AF958/953): 7 April 2015 (J)
- LBV (AF976/977): 14 sept 2015 (P)
- NSI (AF900/901): 14 May 2015 (J) and 3 aug 2015 (P)
- BGF/NSI (AF775): 1st sept 2015 (J)
- BEY (AF566/565): 14 sept 2015 (P)
- DXB (AF3884/3831): 23 feb 2015 (P)
- 5 frames end 2014
- 26 frames end 2015 (so 21 retrofitted in 2015)
- 44 frames end 2016 (so 18 retrofitted in 2016)
So total of 44 B777 in BEST out of 62 today in AF fleet ==> 18 B777 will stay in NEV4 (in config 42J or COI/14J).
- in 2017 : beginning of retrofit of the Airbus fleet (except A340 which will be in the process of leaving the fleet).
List of 2014/2015 destinations and date of 1st flight (warning : it doesn't necessarily mean that BEST is present every day on a specific route)
(J) means that this flight has no P and so is equipped with J/W/Y BEST
(P) means that this flight has the 4 BEST cabins (P/J/W/Y).
- LAX (AF072/069): 6 July 2015 (J)
- JFK (AF012/017): 1st june 2015 (J)
- JFK (AF010/011): 27 January 2015 (P)
- JFK (AF008/009): 20 june 2014 (J) and 29 March 15 (P)
- IAD (AF026/027): 6 July 2015 (J)
- YVR (AF374/379): 20 june 2015 (J)
- YYZ (AF356/351): 4 may 2015 (J)
- GRU (AF456/459): 12 January 2015 (J)
- PTY (AF474/475): 14 sept 2015 (J)
- PEK (AF382/381): 12 oct 2015 (P)
- PVG (AF112/107): 10 nov 2014 (J)
- CAN (AF102/107): 29 March 2015 (J)
- WUH (AF132/139): 15 June 2015 (J)
- SIN (AF256/257): 9 June 2015 (J)
- SIN/CGK (AF254/259): 29 sept 2014 (P)
- HND (AF272/279): 26 oct 2014 (J)
- HND (AF274/293): 30 dec 2014 (J) and 14 April 2015 (P)
- DLA/SSH (AF958/953): 7 April 2015 (J)
- LBV (AF976/977): 14 sept 2015 (P)
- NSI (AF900/901): 14 May 2015 (J) and 3 aug 2015 (P)
- BGF/NSI (AF775): 1st sept 2015 (J)
- BEY (AF566/565): 14 sept 2015 (P)
- DXB (AF3884/3831): 23 feb 2015 (P)
AF's seat map shows 12 rows, (10 - 12) are in a mini-cabin, and it's 1-2-1 across.
So this is a BEST configuration right?
If so, what are the odds that there'll be a substitution between now and October?
Can anyone wager a ballpark guess?
Jul 30, 2015, 1:52 am
#329
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