Jul 21, 2015, 3:15 am
Last edit by: FN-GM
LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Code:
F-GSPA – NEV4 F-GSPE – NEV4 F-GSPM – NEV4 F-GSPZ – NEV4
Code:
F-GSPD F-GSPP
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Code:
F-GSPB – BEST F-GSPC – BEST F-GSPF – BEST F-GSPG – BEST F-GSPH – BEST F-GSPI – BEST F-GSPJ - BEST F-GSPK – BEST F-GSPQ – BEST F-GSPR – BEST F-GSPS – BEST F-GSPT – BEST F-GSPU – BEST F-GSPV – BEST F-GSPX – BEST F-GSPY – BESTor
Code:
F-GSPL – BEST F-GSPO – BEST F-GSPN – BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Code:
All Converted to BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Code:
F-GSQD – NEV4 F-GSQE – NEV4 F-GZNH – NEV4 F-GZNI – NEV4 F-GZNJ - NEV4 F-GZNK – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Code:
F-GSQA – BEST F-GSQB – BEST F-GSQC – BEST F-GSQF – BEST F-GSQG – BEST F-GSQH – BEST F-GSQI – BEST F-GSQJ – BEST F-GSQK – BEST F-GSQL – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GSQM – BEST F-GSQU - BEST F-GSQV – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GZNA – BEST F-GZNB - BEST F-GZNC – BEST F-GZND - BEST F-GZNE – BESTor
Code:
F-GSQN – NEV4 F-GSQO – NEV4 F-GSQP – NEV4 F-GSQR – NEV4 F-GSQS – NEV4 F-GSQT – NEV4 F-GSQX – NEV4 F-GZNF – NEV4 F-GZNG – NEV4 F-GZNL – NEV4 F-GZNN – NEV4 F-GZNO – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
Code:
F-GZNP – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015) F-GZNQ – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015) F-GZNR – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015) F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)
777 New Cabins - Deployment Schedule
Jan 30, 2015, 11:33 am
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Jan 30, 2015, 8:11 pm
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This is an update of the same document already posted by Delanotre (Many thanks) and dated 22 September 2014. The differences that I could detect:
- Delay in retrofitting the 4-class 77W. This was supposed to be done by the end of 2015 but now postponed to end-2016.
- 5 777 were ready end-2014 as opposed to 7 originally planned on 22 September. 27 should be ready by end-2015 as opposed to 31. This will be a tough year with 22 planes being retrofitted. This is fast by AF standard, even if slow by other airlines' standards. Only 17 ac scheduled for retrofit in 2016 but I would be that AF will postpone some of the retrofits from 2015 to 2016.
In terms of planned destinations, there has been a few changes. It is hard to compare the documents because the old one gave schedules for March 2015, while the new one gives schedules up to October 2015. Some observations:
- In America, Boston has disappeared. Toronto, Vancouver, LAX have been added.
- In Asia and Africa, they are adding many destinations, but not Hong Kong.
That makes me very upset and mean I will keep not flying AF for a couple of years.
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- Delay in retrofitting the 4-class 77W. This was supposed to be done by the end of 2015 but now postponed to end-2016.
- 5 777 were ready end-2014 as opposed to 7 originally planned on 22 September. 27 should be ready by end-2015 as opposed to 31. This will be a tough year with 22 planes being retrofitted. This is fast by AF standard, even if slow by other airlines' standards. Only 17 ac scheduled for retrofit in 2016 but I would be that AF will postpone some of the retrofits from 2015 to 2016.
In terms of planned destinations, there has been a few changes. It is hard to compare the documents because the old one gave schedules for March 2015, while the new one gives schedules up to October 2015. Some observations:
- In America, Boston has disappeared. Toronto, Vancouver, LAX have been added.
- In Asia and Africa, they are adding many destinations, but not Hong Kong.
That makes me very upset and mean I will keep not flying AF for a couple of years.
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Jan 31, 2015, 3:31 am
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This is an update of the same document already posted by Delanotre (Many thanks) and dated 22 September 2014. The differences that I could detect:
- Delay in retrofitting the 4-class 77W. This was supposed to be done by the end of 2015 but now postponed to end-2016.
- 5 777 were ready end-2014 as opposed to 7 originally planned on 22 September. 27 should be ready by end-2015 as opposed to 31. This will be a tough year with 22 planes being retrofitted. This is fast by AF standard, even if slow by other airlines' standards. Only 17 ac scheduled for retrofit in 2016 but I would be that AF will postpone some of the retrofits from 2015 to 2016.
In terms of planned destinations, there has been a few changes. It is hard to compare the documents because the old one gave schedules for March 2015, while the new one gives schedules up to October 2015. Some observations:
- In America, Boston has disappeared. Toronto, Vancouver, LAX have been added.
- In Asia and Africa, they are adding many destinations, but not Hong Kong.
That makes me very upset and mean I will keep not flying AF for a couple of years.
-
- Delay in retrofitting the 4-class 77W. This was supposed to be done by the end of 2015 but now postponed to end-2016.
- 5 777 were ready end-2014 as opposed to 7 originally planned on 22 September. 27 should be ready by end-2015 as opposed to 31. This will be a tough year with 22 planes being retrofitted. This is fast by AF standard, even if slow by other airlines' standards. Only 17 ac scheduled for retrofit in 2016 but I would be that AF will postpone some of the retrofits from 2015 to 2016.
In terms of planned destinations, there has been a few changes. It is hard to compare the documents because the old one gave schedules for March 2015, while the new one gives schedules up to October 2015. Some observations:
- In America, Boston has disappeared. Toronto, Vancouver, LAX have been added.
- In Asia and Africa, they are adding many destinations, but not Hong Kong.
That makes me very upset and mean I will keep not flying AF for a couple of years.
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Jan 31, 2015, 6:06 am
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Hi, just checking, on those planes the premium economy section is moving but the seats are not changing are they?
Jan 31, 2015, 6:20 am
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Jan 31, 2015, 6:24 am
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Oh sorty I missed that. Do they get any better or is it still comfortable for seating and bad for sleeping?
Did anyone report on them?
Did anyone report on them?
Jan 31, 2015, 7:40 am
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My understanding is that the Y seats are completely new (now made by Zodiac), but the PE seats are the same with very minor adjustments.
Last edited by brunos; Jan 31, 2015 at 8:03 am
Jan 31, 2015, 7:55 am
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Frankly, it is very disappointing. The difference between the corporate/press communication (we invest a lot in the product) and the pace of cabin upgrades is just ridiculous.
I would imagine growing complaints by people who bought the BEST experience (based upon advertisments, press releases and website) and had the NEV experience, and I do believe that these differences are the most significant for the J cabin. Being in a full BEST for a 12-hour flight seat is a very different than being stuck in the infamous middle seat of the 2-3-2 section in a 777.
LH recently upgraded their cabins. As a comparison, what was the pace of this change?
I would imagine growing complaints by people who bought the BEST experience (based upon advertisments, press releases and website) and had the NEV experience, and I do believe that these differences are the most significant for the J cabin. Being in a full BEST for a 12-hour flight seat is a very different than being stuck in the infamous middle seat of the 2-3-2 section in a 777.
LH recently upgraded their cabins. As a comparison, what was the pace of this change?
Jan 31, 2015, 8:21 am
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Frankly, it is very disappointing. The difference between the corporate/press communication (we invest a lot in the product) and the pace of cabin upgrades is just ridiculous.
I would imagine growing complaints by people who bought the BEST experience (based upon advertisments, press releases and website) and had the NEV experience, and I do believe that these differences are the most significant for the J cabin. Being in a full BEST for a 12-hour flight seat is a very different than being stuck in the infamous middle seat of the 2-3-2 section in a 777.
LH recently upgraded their cabins. As a comparison, what was the pace of this change?
I would imagine growing complaints by people who bought the BEST experience (based upon advertisments, press releases and website) and had the NEV experience, and I do believe that these differences are the most significant for the J cabin. Being in a full BEST for a 12-hour flight seat is a very different than being stuck in the infamous middle seat of the 2-3-2 section in a 777.
LH recently upgraded their cabins. As a comparison, what was the pace of this change?
I was talking with a AFKL local staff tonight and she is quite unhappy. AF used to have two 777 most days. They moved to a single A380 and now that single flight is operated by a 77W most days, with poor premium yield. In the meanwhile CX has moved to 2 77W most days.
On the other hand KL is running a daily 744 with flat beds and is quite successful against the daily CX 77W.
Jan 31, 2015, 8:37 am
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Jan 31, 2015, 2:23 pm
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And congrats for your well organized flying.
Feb 3, 2015, 8:20 am
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Feb 3, 2015, 11:03 am
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QQ that I want to re-confirm, if the seatmap is showing 1-2-1 seat config, is that a safe bet that it's the new business class product?
Feb 3, 2015, 6:46 pm
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Feb 4, 2015, 9:37 am
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The new J seats look great.