Jul 21, 2015, 3:15 am
Last edit by: FN-GM
LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Code:
F-GSPA – NEV4 F-GSPE – NEV4 F-GSPM – NEV4 F-GSPZ – NEV4
Code:
F-GSPD F-GSPP
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Code:
F-GSPB – BEST F-GSPC – BEST F-GSPF – BEST F-GSPG – BEST F-GSPH – BEST F-GSPI – BEST F-GSPJ - BEST F-GSPK – BEST F-GSPQ – BEST F-GSPR – BEST F-GSPS – BEST F-GSPT – BEST F-GSPU – BEST F-GSPV – BEST F-GSPX – BEST F-GSPY – BESTor
Code:
F-GSPL – BEST F-GSPO – BEST F-GSPN – BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Code:
All Converted to BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Code:
F-GSQD – NEV4 F-GSQE – NEV4 F-GZNH – NEV4 F-GZNI – NEV4 F-GZNJ - NEV4 F-GZNK – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Code:
F-GSQA – BEST F-GSQB – BEST F-GSQC – BEST F-GSQF – BEST F-GSQG – BEST F-GSQH – BEST F-GSQI – BEST F-GSQJ – BEST F-GSQK – BEST F-GSQL – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GSQM – BEST F-GSQU - BEST F-GSQV – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GZNA – BEST F-GZNB - BEST F-GZNC – BEST F-GZND - BEST F-GZNE – BESTor
Code:
F-GSQN – NEV4 F-GSQO – NEV4 F-GSQP – NEV4 F-GSQR – NEV4 F-GSQS – NEV4 F-GSQT – NEV4 F-GSQX – NEV4 F-GZNF – NEV4 F-GZNG – NEV4 F-GZNL – NEV4 F-GZNN – NEV4 F-GZNO – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
Code:
F-GZNP – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015) F-GZNQ – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015) F-GZNR – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015) F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)
777 New Cabins - Deployment Schedule
Jul 21, 2015, 11:17 am
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I have created a wiki similar to the one on the KL board. Data is based on AF communication (notably the one available on this thread), flightradar24, AF website, published trip reports and personal sources.
There are mistakes : for example, I am sure some 77W have been retrofitted in 3 cabins (J-W-Y) but cannot trace them. The quick change process is not helping either.
Feel free to amend it. I hope that will be helpful for everyone.
There are mistakes : for example, I am sure some 77W have been retrofitted in 3 cabins (J-W-Y) but cannot trace them. The quick change process is not helping either.
Feel free to amend it. I hope that will be helpful for everyone.
Jul 21, 2015, 11:28 am
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I have created a wiki similar to the one on the KL board. Data is based on AF communication (notably the one available on this thread), flightradar24, AF website, published trip reports and personal sources.
There are mistakes : for example, I am sure some 77W have been retrofitted in 3 cabins (J-W-Y) but cannot trace them. The quick change process is not helping either.
Feel free to amend it. I hope that will be helpful for everyone.
There are mistakes : for example, I am sure some 77W have been retrofitted in 3 cabins (J-W-Y) but cannot trace them. The quick change process is not helping either.
Feel free to amend it. I hope that will be helpful for everyone.
Jul 21, 2015, 11:45 am
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For sure same configuration.
In the last powerpoint p 2 and 12:
"Flotte long courrier à compter de 2017
Boeing 777
Au total, 44 des 62 avions seront équipés BEST avec 2 configurations (3 et 4 cabines). Les 18 Boeing restants (42J et 14J) conserveront leur produit vol actuel (V4)"
In the last powerpoint p 2 and 12:
"Flotte long courrier à compter de 2017
Boeing 777
Au total, 44 des 62 avions seront équipés BEST avec 2 configurations (3 et 4 cabines). Les 18 Boeing restants (42J et 14J) conserveront leur produit vol actuel (V4)"
Le réaménagement d'un avion en BEST concerne toutes les cabines.
Jul 21, 2015, 7:37 pm
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AF 777-300
Does anyone have an update on the new business class product on AF 777-300's
Jul 22, 2015, 1:52 am
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Jul 22, 2015, 3:33 am
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I am very confused.
The wiki states that there are four 3-cabins 77W (777-300ER) without P but with new cabin, including BEST J. But the AF document dated 31 January 2015 states that all 3-cabins 77W will have NEV4.
Where is the mistake????
The wiki states that there are four 3-cabins 77W (777-300ER) without P but with new cabin, including BEST J. But the AF document dated 31 January 2015 states that all 3-cabins 77W will have NEV4.
Where is the mistake????
Last edited by brunos; Jul 24, 2015 at 7:50 am
Jul 22, 2015, 10:39 pm
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SFO??
A new update for BEST deployment has been posted by AF. As it would take me too much time to compare from the previous version, I put everything here.
- 5 frames end 2014
- 26 frames end 2015 (so 21 retrofitted in 2015)
- 44 frames end 2016 (so 18 retrofitted in 2016)
So total of 44 B777 in BEST out of 62 today in AF fleet ==> 18 B777 will stay in NEV4 (in config 42J or COI/14J).
- in 2017 : beginning of retrofit of the Airbus fleet (except A340 which will be in the process of leaving the fleet).
List of 2014/2015 destinations and date of 1st flight (warning : it doesn't necessarily mean that BEST is present every day on a specific route)
(J) means that this flight has no P and so is equipped with J/W/Y BEST
(P) means that this flight has the 4 BEST cabins (P/J/W/Y).
- LAX (AF072/069): 6 July 2015 (J)
- JFK (AF012/017): 1st june 2015 (J)
- JFK (AF010/011): 27 January 2015 (P)
- JFK (AF008/009): 20 june 2014 (J) and 29 March 15 (P)
- IAD (AF026/027): 6 July 2015 (J)
- YVR (AF374/379): 20 june 2015 (J)
- YYZ (AF356/351): 4 may 2015 (J)
- GRU (AF456/459): 12 January 2015 (J)
- PTY (AF474/475): 14 sept 2015 (J)
- PEK (AF382/381): 12 oct 2015 (P)
- PVG (AF112/107): 10 nov 2014 (J)
- CAN (AF102/107): 29 March 2015 (J)
- WUH (AF132/139): 15 June 2015 (J)
- SIN (AF256/257): 9 June 2015 (J)
- SIN/CGK (AF254/259): 29 sept 2014 (P)
- HND (AF272/279): 26 oct 2014 (J)
- HND (AF274/293): 30 dec 2014 (J) and 14 April 2015 (P)
- DLA/SSH (AF958/953): 7 April 2015 (J)
- LBV (AF976/977): 14 sept 2015 (P)
- NSI (AF900/901): 14 May 2015 (J) and 3 aug 2015 (P)
- BGF/NSI (AF775): 1st sept 2015 (J)
- BEY (AF566/565): 14 sept 2015 (P)
- DXB (AF3884/3831): 23 feb 2015 (P)
- 5 frames end 2014
- 26 frames end 2015 (so 21 retrofitted in 2015)
- 44 frames end 2016 (so 18 retrofitted in 2016)
So total of 44 B777 in BEST out of 62 today in AF fleet ==> 18 B777 will stay in NEV4 (in config 42J or COI/14J).
- in 2017 : beginning of retrofit of the Airbus fleet (except A340 which will be in the process of leaving the fleet).
List of 2014/2015 destinations and date of 1st flight (warning : it doesn't necessarily mean that BEST is present every day on a specific route)
(J) means that this flight has no P and so is equipped with J/W/Y BEST
(P) means that this flight has the 4 BEST cabins (P/J/W/Y).
- LAX (AF072/069): 6 July 2015 (J)
- JFK (AF012/017): 1st june 2015 (J)
- JFK (AF010/011): 27 January 2015 (P)
- JFK (AF008/009): 20 june 2014 (J) and 29 March 15 (P)
- IAD (AF026/027): 6 July 2015 (J)
- YVR (AF374/379): 20 june 2015 (J)
- YYZ (AF356/351): 4 may 2015 (J)
- GRU (AF456/459): 12 January 2015 (J)
- PTY (AF474/475): 14 sept 2015 (J)
- PEK (AF382/381): 12 oct 2015 (P)
- PVG (AF112/107): 10 nov 2014 (J)
- CAN (AF102/107): 29 March 2015 (J)
- WUH (AF132/139): 15 June 2015 (J)
- SIN (AF256/257): 9 June 2015 (J)
- SIN/CGK (AF254/259): 29 sept 2014 (P)
- HND (AF272/279): 26 oct 2014 (J)
- HND (AF274/293): 30 dec 2014 (J) and 14 April 2015 (P)
- DLA/SSH (AF958/953): 7 April 2015 (J)
- LBV (AF976/977): 14 sept 2015 (P)
- NSI (AF900/901): 14 May 2015 (J) and 3 aug 2015 (P)
- BGF/NSI (AF775): 1st sept 2015 (J)
- BEY (AF566/565): 14 sept 2015 (P)
- DXB (AF3884/3831): 23 feb 2015 (P)
AF is a forced choice for me most of the times, but I had hopes to soon balance the shocking bad experience of CDG itself with a better experience on board, but AF doesn't love me, apparently.
Jul 23, 2015, 1:05 am
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Isn't that a little exaggerated? Ground experience at CDG has been vastly improved in the last 5 years.
Jul 23, 2015, 5:00 am
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Jul 23, 2015, 5:01 am
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But I remember being there the first time, and be completely baffled at the lack of clear navigation instructions, total lack of interest of the personal and so on. It was a maddening experience. And I'm even fluent in French.
Nowadays, I feel more à l'aise in CDG, but I avoid it whenever I can.
Jul 23, 2015, 6:18 am
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Anyway, maybe many of you aren't familiar with the Terminal 2G and its "lounge". Suffice to say, having to spend almost 5 hrs there is unlike anything I've experienced in international hubs anywhere else.
Last time I tried to skip the deportation to 2G upon arrival and have a seat at my arrival's terminal's lounge (forgot the #), they said –and with right, I guess– that I had no right to stay there, as it wasn't my departure terminal "Ah non, c'est pas avec nous ça, quois!"
It didn't help that it was the day after the Charlie attack: everybody was crazy nervous and the guy at the reception almost screamed at me and said "you either go now, or I'll call police to escort you out".
5 hours in 2G. You try that and then tell me if it's not hell.
[And now I took this thread OT. Sorry.]
Last time I tried to skip the deportation to 2G upon arrival and have a seat at my arrival's terminal's lounge (forgot the #), they said –and with right, I guess– that I had no right to stay there, as it wasn't my departure terminal "Ah non, c'est pas avec nous ça, quois!"
It didn't help that it was the day after the Charlie attack: everybody was crazy nervous and the guy at the reception almost screamed at me and said "you either go now, or I'll call police to escort you out".
5 hours in 2G. You try that and then tell me if it's not hell.
[And now I took this thread OT. Sorry.]
Jul 23, 2015, 6:30 am
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I would not like to speak for everyone, but I can tell you that many of us are fully aware of the ridiculous lounge situation at T2G. However, 2E<->2F cinnections are much easier than before.
Jul 23, 2015, 6:31 am
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Last week I was returning to Fra and the flight departed from 2G (ugh). I arrived at 2F and went to the lounge there and the agent told me that I better stay there than go to the lounge at 2G...
Jul 23, 2015, 7:15 am
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