Jul 21, 2015, 3:15 am
Last edit by: FN-GM
LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible
NORTH AMERICA
- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)
CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)
ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)
AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)
MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)
CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25
Code:
F-GSPA – NEV4 F-GSPE – NEV4 F-GSPM – NEV4 F-GSPZ – NEV4
Code:
F-GSPD F-GSPP
Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25
Code:
F-GSPB – BEST F-GSPC – BEST F-GSPF – BEST F-GSPG – BEST F-GSPH – BEST F-GSPI – BEST F-GSPJ - BEST F-GSPK – BEST F-GSPQ – BEST F-GSPR – BEST F-GSPS – BEST F-GSPT – BEST F-GSPU – BEST F-GSPV – BEST F-GSPX – BEST F-GSPY – BESTor
Code:
F-GSPL – BEST F-GSPO – BEST F-GSPN – BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43
Code:
All Converted to BEST
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43
Code:
F-GSQD – NEV4 F-GSQE – NEV4 F-GZNH – NEV4 F-GZNI – NEV4 F-GZNJ - NEV4 F-GZNK – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43
Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43
Code:
F-GSQA – BEST F-GSQB – BEST F-GSQC – BEST F-GSQF – BEST F-GSQG – BEST F-GSQH – BEST F-GSQI – BEST F-GSQJ – BEST F-GSQK – BEST F-GSQL – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GSQM – BEST F-GSQU - BEST F-GSQV – BEST F-GSQY – BEST F-GZNA – BEST F-GZNB - BEST F-GZNC – BEST F-GZND - BEST F-GZNE – BESTor
Code:
F-GSQN – NEV4 F-GSQO – NEV4 F-GSQP – NEV4 F-GSQR – NEV4 F-GSQS – NEV4 F-GSQT – NEV4 F-GSQX – NEV4 F-GZNF – NEV4 F-GZNG – NEV4 F-GZNL – NEV4 F-GZNN – NEV4 F-GZNO – NEV4
Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43
Code:
F-GZNP – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015) F-GZNQ – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015) F-GZNR – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015) F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016) F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)
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Aug 4, 2015, 8:30 am
#331
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My wife and I are scheduled to fly in J on a BEST 772 (quick change) in a few weeks. We are currently assigned seats E and F, but I was wondering whether it is actually easier to see/talk to one another in A and E or F and L given the barrier in between the seats, or whether it's just so difficult that we may as well both assign window seats. Does anyone have an opinion on what's easiest with the new layout? Thanks in advance.
Aug 4, 2015, 8:35 pm
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Aug 5, 2015, 3:06 am
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Aug 5, 2015, 11:33 am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by techlaw
My wife and I are scheduled to fly in J on a BEST 772 (quick change) in a few weeks. We are currently assigned seats E and F, but I was wondering whether it is actually easier to see/talk to one another in A and E or F and L given the barrier in between the seats, or whether it's just so difficult that we may as well both assign window seats. Does anyone have an opinion on what's easiest with the new layout? Thanks in advance.
Have the same problem. We decided to keep the 2 consecutive window seats we were assigned by AF and visit each other now and then.
Originally Posted by techlaw
My wife and I are scheduled to fly in J on a BEST 772 (quick change) in a few weeks. We are currently assigned seats E and F, but I was wondering whether it is actually easier to see/talk to one another in A and E or F and L given the barrier in between the seats, or whether it's just so difficult that we may as well both assign window seats. Does anyone have an opinion on what's easiest with the new layout? Thanks in advance.
Have the same problem. We decided to keep the 2 consecutive window seats we were assigned by AF and visit each other now and then.
Aug 12, 2015, 2:03 pm
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ATL-CDG?
Aug 12, 2015, 2:03 pm
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However, to me the most important information is which flights will have the new J 1-2-1 seating with genuine flat beds.
Aug 17, 2015, 6:28 am
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It's not a joke, I guess we just have different priorities. I have a problem, I want to fly as comfortably as possible and be able to communicate with my husband and I am looking for solutions. I thought I was fairly safe when I booked, I expressly booked dates that were not ideal to me to avoid the refurbished 777-200s but now AF has changed both aircrafts.
It's a long trip, 14+ hours (13+ plus 1). Of course I can manage on my own, but I like commenting what i read, etc. If AF at least had wifi like Norwegian has had for ages I could have chatted via Skype (not voice). Done it before and it works great.
Next time I'll try Iberias new A330, at least I'll get a brand new plane with ambient lighting.
It's a long trip, 14+ hours (13+ plus 1). Of course I can manage on my own, but I like commenting what i read, etc. If AF at least had wifi like Norwegian has had for ages I could have chatted via Skype (not voice). Done it before and it works great.
Next time I'll try Iberias new A330, at least I'll get a brand new plane with ambient lighting.
Aug 17, 2015, 9:28 pm
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Aug 22, 2015, 3:20 am
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FWIW, AF latest Boeing 777-300ER registered F-GZNQ has been delivered on 6th of May 2015. One might think that 3-class aircraft (Y-W-J) is equipped with the new "best & beyond" cabins?
Well, Y and W feature indeed the "best" seats.
But forget about "beyond" : the J cabin has been equipped with brand new NEV4 seats [oxymoron inside].
And that ship flies insignificant routes such as YUL, GIG, DKR, ICN...
Well, Y and W feature indeed the "best" seats.
But forget about "beyond" : the J cabin has been equipped with brand new NEV4 seats [oxymoron inside].
And that ship flies insignificant routes such as YUL, GIG, DKR, ICN...
Aug 22, 2015, 4:37 am
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It seems that all 777-300ER with 3 classes (J, W, Y) will have NEV J seats. Looks like it is a policy in the short run. If so, it would mean that all 777-200 (3 classes, no P on 772) and 777-300ER 4 classes will be the only ones to see the new BEST J seats, at least in the coming year(s).
Any exceptions that prove me wrong?
Any exceptions that prove me wrong?
Aug 23, 2015, 11:26 am
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It seems that all 777-300ER with 3 classes (J, W, Y) will have NEV J seats. Looks like it is a policy in the short run. If so, it would mean that all 777-200 (3 classes, no P on 772) and 777-300ER 4 classes will be the only ones to see the new BEST J seats, at least in the coming year(s).
Any exceptions that prove me wrong?
Any exceptions that prove me wrong?
I wonder what the logic behind it is. Could be for routes where AF has a high market share or a monopoly for the France-XX market which fills the plane "anyway", so why give BEST seats to those captive customers?
Aug 23, 2015, 12:45 pm
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Crossing my finger that it will be all NEV4. All A330 A340 and 747 (soon gone from the fleet) have NEV4. But that's not the case on A380, where you can also get NEV3. Just hoping that seat roulette doesn't get more complicated than that for the years to come...
Aug 24, 2015, 3:54 am
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- all 772 will be converted to 3-cabin with BEST J seats.
- all 77W 4-cabin currently with 8P will be converted to BEST in P and J. Only 4 P seats.
- all 77W 3-cabin will keep the current NEV4.
- all other planes have and will keep the NEV4, except 6 A380 which have NEV3.
When the retrofit is completed, we will have guaranteed BEST J on 4-cabins 77W and 3-cabin 772. But NEV4 on all other planes (NEV3 on 6 A380).
It will be difficult to implement a BEST J policy by destination.
Routes with P will have either NEV3/NEV4 (A380) or BEST (77W).
Routes without P will have either BEST on 772 or NEV4 on all other airplanes.
Aug 24, 2015, 8:20 am
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I checked the slides "Deploiement BEST", updated July 2015, that was linked in one of the thread. It states that:
- all 772 will be converted to 3-cabin with BEST J seats.
- all 77W 4-cabin currently with 8P will be converted to BEST in P and J. Only 4 P seats.
- all 77W 3-cabin will keep the current NEV4.
- all other planes have and will keep the NEV4, except 6 A380 which have NEV3.
When the retrofit is completed, we will have guaranteed BEST J on 4-cabins 77W and 3-cabin 772. But NEV4 on all other planes (NEV3 on 6 A380).
It will be difficult to implement a BEST J policy by destination.
Routes with P will have either NEV3/NEV4 (A380) or BEST (77W).
Routes without P will have either BEST on 772 or NEV4 on all other airplanes.
- all 772 will be converted to 3-cabin with BEST J seats.
- all 77W 4-cabin currently with 8P will be converted to BEST in P and J. Only 4 P seats.
- all 77W 3-cabin will keep the current NEV4.
- all other planes have and will keep the NEV4, except 6 A380 which have NEV3.
When the retrofit is completed, we will have guaranteed BEST J on 4-cabins 77W and 3-cabin 772. But NEV4 on all other planes (NEV3 on 6 A380).
It will be difficult to implement a BEST J policy by destination.
Routes with P will have either NEV3/NEV4 (A380) or BEST (77W).
Routes without P will have either BEST on 772 or NEV4 on all other airplanes.
Not great, really. They should at least refurbish the 3 class 77W to BEST (some egoistic thinking on my part here, as one of my frequent routes where I take AF in about 20% of cases is served by 77W).
And I presume the plan to refurbish the 332 to BEST is still on?
Aug 24, 2015, 10:19 am
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To be fair, certain routes are served only by one plane type and there won't be any confusion, except for substitutes (when a scheduled 772 gets replaced by a 3 class 77W). But then other routes are indeed a wild mix. JFK for instance sees about every longhaul plane in the AF fleet (except 343 and 744), so depending on day/time one flies, it could be BEST or not.
Not great, really. They should at least refurbish the 3 class 77W to BEST (some egoistic thinking on my part here, as one of my frequent routes where I take AF in about 20% of cases is served by 77W).
And I presume the plan to refurbish the 332 to BEST is still on?
Not great, really. They should at least refurbish the 3 class 77W to BEST (some egoistic thinking on my part here, as one of my frequent routes where I take AF in about 20% of cases is served by 77W).
And I presume the plan to refurbish the 332 to BEST is still on?
If AF decided not retrofit all the 3-cabin 77W, I doubt that they are planning to retrofit the A330, A380. At least not in the near future, especially given their financial problems.