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LIST OF ROUTES/FLIGHTS WITH BEST SEATS - update 21 April, 2017. Flights looked up for week of June 12, 2017
IMPORTANT NOTES :
- This is the list of "BEST"-operated routes for a typical week during the summer season in June 2017.
- Some of the routes listed below may see a non-BEST aircraft operating the flight some day(s) of the week
- Last minute aircraft substitution is always possible

NORTH AMERICA

- BOS (AF334/333) : on days the flight operates with a B772
- IAD (AF026/027)
- IAH (AF636/639)
- JFK (AF032/019) : operating from ORY
- JFK (AF022/023)
- JFK (AF008/009)
- LAX (AF072/073)
- LAX-PPT (AF076/077)
- SFO (AF082/083)
- YUL (AF342/345) : on certain days
- YUL (AF344/345 B787-9)
- YVR (AF374/379)

CENTRAL & LATIN AMERICAS
- EZE/MVD (AF394/393)
- EZE (AF228/229)
- SCL (AF406/407) : on certain days
- GRU (AF456/459)
- GRU (AF454/457)
- PTY (AF474/475)
- CAY (AF852/853)
- CUN (AF650/651)
- HAV (AF820/825)

ASIA
- BOM (AF218/217)
- HKG (AF188/185)
- HND (AF274/293)
- KIX (AF292/291)
- NRT (AF276/275)
- NRT (AF272/271)
- PEK (AF382/381)
- PVG (AF112/117)
- PVG (AF116/111) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- CAN (AF102/107)
- SIN (AF256/257)
- SGN (AF258/257)

AFRICA
- ABJ (AF702/703) : only on days when the flight is B777-operated (A380 has no BEST cabins at the moment)
- BKO-ABJ (AF520/521)
- ACC (AF780/781)
- DLA-NSI (AF982)
- BGF-NSI (AF775/775)
- NSI (AF900/901)
- LBV (AF976/977)
- LAD (AF928/929)

MIDDLE EAST
- BEY (AF566/565)
- CAI (AF570/567 B787-9)
- DXB (AF662/643)

CONFIGURATIONS OF THE B777 FLEET
Note : this list is not up-to-date
Boeing 777-200ER 309 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 4/25

Code:

F-GSPA – NEV4
 F-GSPE – NEV4
 F-GSPM – NEV4
 F-GSPZ – NEV4

Boeing 777-200ER in modification process : 2/25

Code:

F-GSPD
 F-GSPP

Boeing 777-200ER 280 seats or 316 seats "quick change" J-W-Y with new cabins : 16/25

Code:

F-GSPB – BEST
 F-GSPC – BEST
 F-GSPF – BEST
 F-GSPG – BEST
 F-GSPH – BEST
 F-GSPI – BEST
 F-GSPJ - BEST
 F-GSPK – BEST
 F-GSPQ – BEST
 F-GSPR – BEST
 F-GSPS – BEST
 F-GSPT – BEST
 F-GSPU – BEST
 F-GSPV – BEST
 F-GSPX – BEST
 F-GSPY – BEST
 
 
 or

Boeing 777-200ER 312 seats (28J) J-W-Y with new cabins : 3/25

Code:

F-GSPL – BEST
 F-GSPO – BEST
 F-GSPN – BEST

Boeing 777-300ER 303 seats P-J-W-Y without new cabins : 0/43

Code:

All Converted to BEST

Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y without new cabins : 5/43

Code:

F-GSQD – NEV4
 F-GSQE – NEV4
 F-GZNH – NEV4
 F-GZNI – NEV4
 F-GZNJ - NEV4
 F-GZNK – NEV4

Boeing 777-300ER in modification process : 0/43

Boeing 777-300ER 296 seats or 322 seats "quick change" P-J-W-Y with new cabins : 20/43

Code:

F-GSQA – BEST
 F-GSQB – BEST
 F-GSQC – BEST
 F-GSQF – BEST
 F-GSQG – BEST
 F-GSQH – BEST
 F-GSQI – BEST
 F-GSQJ – BEST
 F-GSQK – BEST
 F-GSQL – BEST
 F-GSQY – BEST
 F-GSQM – BEST
 F-GSQU - BEST
 F-GSQV – BEST
 F-GSQY – BEST
 F-GZNA – BEST
 F-GZNB - BEST
 F-GZNC – BEST
 F-GZND - BEST
 F-GZNE – BEST
 
 
 or

Boeing 777-300ER 468 seats J-W-Y "CIO" without new cabins : 12/43

Code:

F-GSQN – NEV4
 F-GSQO – NEV4
 F-GSQP – NEV4
 F-GSQR – NEV4
 F-GSQS – NEV4
 F-GSQT – NEV4
 F-GSQX – NEV4
 F-GZNF – NEV4
 F-GZNG – NEV4
 F-GZNL – NEV4
 F-GZNN – NEV4
 F-GZNO – NEV4

Boeing 777-300ER 381 seats J-W-Y with old J and new W-Y : 6/43

Code:

F-GZNP – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2015)
 F-GZNQ – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in May 2015)
 F-GZNR – NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in November 2015)
 F-GZNS - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016)
 F-GZNT - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in March 2016)
 F-GZNU - NEV4 (delivered new from Boeing in April 2016)

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Dec 1, 2015, 7:08 am

#466

GlobeTrekker35

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I recently had the opportunity to sample the new cabin. Here is the report: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-...s-yvr-cdg.html

Dec 1, 2015, 8:45 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brunos

The leisure config, aka Carribean or COI, does not fly to ICN. It has 468 seats and only 12 of those are J (2 rows).

Unfortunately it is 14, in a 2-3-2 NEV4 config.

Dec 1, 2015, 8:22 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bodory

Unfortunately it is 14, in a 2-3-2 NEV4 config.

I should go back to school: 2x7 = ?

Dec 2, 2015, 12:21 am

#469

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brunos

All I can do now do is repeat myself.
The leisure config, aka Carribean or COI, does not fly to ICN. It has 468 seats and only 12 of those are J (2 rows). The first Y row is number 10.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LY777

I heard that the 381-seat 77Ws are called "77W LOISIRS", and the 468-seats 77W are called "77W COI", hence the misunderstanding

In fact, Brunos, AF indeed called "loisirs" a 777 version that is not the COI one. I know it's a non-sense but that's it. But I don't remember if it is the version pointed by LY777 or another one

Dec 2, 2015, 2:24 am

#470

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldorak

My recollection is different.
AF ordered a lot of the high-density 468 seats, more than needed for pure COI destinations. They choose the appellation "destinations loisirs" for a few non-COI destinations. I remember Montreal and Bangkok being called so. Not only was the plane a COI config but the service onboard was also reduced to COI standards. I do not think that any other 77W configs were ever called "leisure". In the end of the retrofit, 77W will have three configs 296/381/468 plus a quick-change config of 322 (only 38J).

The situation is a bit simpler for 772s. All will have 280 seats (40J) with a quick-change at 316 (16J).

Last edited by brunos; Dec 2, 2015 at 2:39 am

Dec 2, 2015, 8:34 am

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Wiki updated : F-GSPI has been equipped with the new cabins. Oddly the livery is still the old one.

Dec 2, 2015, 10:50 am

#472

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brunos

I should go back to school: 2x7 = ?

2 x 7= 12
2 x 6 = 12 as well

easier that way

Dec 2, 2015, 3:46 pm

#473

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Quote:

Originally Posted by brunos

I confirm this is the 381 seat configuration that they call "loisirs", and not the COI high density version. LY777 was right.
Here is by example what AF has released for the delivery of their last 77W (which has the NEV4 seat and BEST Y/W)

Quote:

Air France accueille son quarantième Boeing 777-300ER !

04/11/2015

Le 3 novembre 2015, le 40ème Boeing 777-300ER d'Air France a fait son entrée dans la flotte de la Compagnie.
L'avion, en provenance des usines Boeing de Seattle, s'est posé pour la première fois sur les pistes de l'aéroport de Paris-Charles de Gaulle.

Il volera sur les lignes du réseau long-courrier d'Air France, en version Loisirs (381 sièges), en remplacement des anciens Boeing 747-400.
AF exploite actuellement 67 Boeing 777 (dont 40 Boeing 777-300, 25 Boeing 777 200 et 2 Boeing 777 cargo), une des plus importantes flottes de 777 au monde.

Dec 2, 2015, 6:31 pm

#474

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldorak

OK, I yield, I yield

I was wrong to assume that AF had some commercial logic in its terminology.

Trying to infer some logic, I would venture the following explanation looking at the AF document:

- 77W will only have BEST for all cabins on the version with F (4F/58J). According to the wiki that would be around 18 ac. Some of these can be quick-changed to 4F/18J seats.

- All other 77W will retain NEV4 in J and will have either 42 NEV4 or 14 NEV4. All these are called "leisure" (or "leisure" and "COI"). Whether the service is different on "leisure" is a question mark but it seems implicit.

Will AF also call "leisure" all its other longhaul planes (330/340/380) which only have NEV4/NEV3?

Dec 3, 2015, 3:22 am

#475

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Originally Posted by Goldorak

Dec 3, 2015, 5:54 am

#476

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Can I expect to have the new cabin this sunday on AF 682? I'll be flying economy.

Dec 3, 2015, 6:17 am

#477

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You will get a Leisure 77W (381 seat 77W)

So, you can get either the old (F-GSQD)
http://www.jetphotos.net/photo/7236885

or the more recent (F-GSQE, F-GZNH, F-GZNI, F-GZNJ, F-GZNK)

http://www.jetphotos.net/photo/7196918

or the newest Y seats (F-GZNP, F-GZNQ, F-GZNR)
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-F...0e7848e2724c31

Last edited by LY777; Dec 3, 2015 at 6:25 am

Dec 3, 2015, 6:00 pm

#478

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Would love to have the latter two, as long I dont get the F-GSQD.

EDIT: Could you advice which aircraft I can expect on AF 689 on 13th december?

Last edited by Akira7; Dec 3, 2015 at 6:18 pm

Dec 3, 2015, 6:55 pm

#479

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GlobeTrekker35

I recently had the opportunity to sample the new cabin. Here is the report: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-...s-yvr-cdg.html

How come your aircraft has the new seats but the liverly is the old one? Does AF plan to keep some of it's aircraft in the old scheme or will they all eventually be in the new liverly?

Dec 3, 2015, 10:15 pm

#480

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapzig

How come your aircraft has the new seats but the liverly is the old one? Does AF plan to keep some of it's aircraft in the old scheme or will they all eventually be in the new liverly?

They will ALL get the new livery of course (except a few in Skyteam colours)