Aug 12, 2020, 12:02 am
Last edit by: Adam Smith
You must call in for stopovers, multi-city, or complicated routings, until the new booking system launches in 2021.
I hope others will significantly improve this wiki!
There are four zones: North America (inc Central), South America, Atlantic (including India and Western Russia), Pacific (inc Eastern Russia) and the chart is based which one you start from and which one you end up in, there's ten of these.
Cost is based on distance, which zone pair your flight is in, which class you are flying in.
Partner airlines (again) are a better deal because while Air Canada will calculate cost on a wide ranges but partner airlines are fixed to the bottom of the range.
YQ is eliminated. There's a 39 CAD fee for booking a ticket which contains a flight on a partner airline. Aside from this, there's no incentive any more to book a return flight it seems and every incentive not to.
Note: The partner booking fee is refundable, so it's basically a YQ, rather than a booking fee.
Most flights are devalued. However, the elimination of YQ sweetens this significantly. Within North America, a lot of flights became cheaper, YVR-HNL very significantly. YVR-TYO is much cheaper while YVR-AKL is a little cheaper.
A vastly more powerful booking system is promised for 2021.
There are a lot of new tricks to be learned. https://princeoftravel.com/blog/new-aeroplan-flight-rewards/ is a good start.
Information that is harder to find:
I hope others will significantly improve this wiki!
There are four zones: North America (inc Central), South America, Atlantic (including India and Western Russia), Pacific (inc Eastern Russia) and the chart is based which one you start from and which one you end up in, there's ten of these.
Cost is based on distance, which zone pair your flight is in, which class you are flying in.
Partner airlines (again) are a better deal because while Air Canada will calculate cost on a wide ranges but partner airlines are fixed to the bottom of the range.
YQ is eliminated. There's a 39 CAD fee for booking a ticket which contains a flight on a partner airline. Aside from this, there's no incentive any more to book a return flight it seems and every incentive not to.
Note: The partner booking fee is refundable, so it's basically a YQ, rather than a booking fee.
Most flights are devalued. However, the elimination of YQ sweetens this significantly. Within North America, a lot of flights became cheaper, YVR-HNL very significantly. YVR-TYO is much cheaper while YVR-AKL is a little cheaper.
A vastly more powerful booking system is promised for 2021.
There are a lot of new tricks to be learned. https://princeoftravel.com/blog/new-aeroplan-flight-rewards/ is a good start.
Information that is harder to find:
- SE IKK redemption from the old program can be changed ("within reason") without repricing. Dates, routings, no problem. Origin/destination should be fine. But nothing that would have required a repricing under the old program. This is from Mark Nasr in https://www.facebook.com/pointsmiles...44878252851420
- The "Activity" page only shows you the most recent ~48 transactions. See this post for information on how to get older data.
- A partial refund may not be possible (e.g. if you book RT and outbound flight is cancelled by you or AC, to delete the first flight segment, you have to cancel the entire ticket and rebook the inbound at a potentially higher fare. It seems supervisor can grant exceptions.)
2020 Air Canada Aeroplan Program
Nov 9, 2020, 5:41 pm
#811
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: YYZ
Programs: Flying Blue
Posts: 159
I had trouble booking a 4 pax reward earlier today, I got some error at the final payment page that basically was gibberish (think it said something not found or valid and had a few numbers in brackets) repeatedly, finally I re-inputted my credit card information fully (not using whatever they pre-saved or any type of browser validation auto population) and that worked.
Nov 9, 2020, 7:08 pm
#812
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,946
Does it show anywhere on Aeroplan the relevant card that's applied for the discount? I don't see my Infinite Privilege premium card stated anywhere
Nov 9, 2020, 7:21 pm
#813
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,354
I thought the Aeroplan status card online said something like "credit card member", but I don't have a cc (yet), so I'm not sure.
Nov 9, 2020, 7:25 pm
#814
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: PNW
Programs: AS 100K
Posts: 1,552
LAX-IST-MAD on TK in J = 100k + $55cad
LAX-IST-DBV on TK in J = 85k + $55cad
both used to be 57.5k
edit: fixed old rate
LAX-IST-DBV on TK in J = 85k + $55cad
both used to be 57.5k
edit: fixed old rate
Last edited by atcanobbio; Nov 9, 2020 at 11:25 pm
Nov 9, 2020, 7:28 pm
#815
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,314
Nov 9, 2020, 7:36 pm
#816
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,946
Homepage shows the black card on right with total points, MM status, star gold logo, Super Elite and states credit card member but doesn't differentiate between regular and premium Aeroplan cards. Not sure if discounts are same or different between regular and premium cards.
Nov 9, 2020, 7:37 pm
#817
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: YSC (and all its regularly scheduled flights)
Posts: 2,521
I also wonder what it does if there are multiple cards on the same account.
Nov 9, 2020, 7:52 pm
#818
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: LAX
Programs: AA EXP.
Posts: 1,325
im really pissed off at these options from LAX. thats all just wanted to say that.
Nov 9, 2020, 8:09 pm
#819
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: YVR
Programs: TK Elite Plus, IC Plat Ambassador, HH Diamond
Posts: 921
Partner pricing YVR-TYO should be 55K in J but lowest I am getting is 75K on the dates I tried (NH, UA and Combos of the 2) and the US connecting flights were all in Y. I did see 55K on AC some days but usually a lot more than that. I have 25K level with AC and the CIBC business CC - I see no discount. Looks like Aeroscam is just scamming more. Cannot book stopovers yet, or do we have to call in and pay additional fees until they fix this next year.
Nov 9, 2020, 8:12 pm
#820
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Programs: AC SE100K MM, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Accor Diamond, National Emerald Club Exec Elite
Posts: 1,085
There are some unbelievable deals for YVR-OGG.in J. I just rebooked a two roundtrips that I had previously booked for 80,000 pts + around $150 in fees per ticket for 42,000 points and $81.70 in fees per ticket. I'm a SE with a premium cc.
Nov 9, 2020, 8:35 pm
#821
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: YYZ
Programs: Aeroplan 50K/Star Alliance Gold, Accor Gold, base level Marriott/Hyatt/Hilton
Posts: 658
LAX-DBV for 55k on fixed mileage? Impossible, YYZ-ZAG was 57,500. There have been some devaluations but this probably isn't one of them. Check for a later date, you'll almost certainly find something for 70k or less.
Nov 9, 2020, 8:45 pm
#822
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: YOW
Programs: AC SE, FOTSG Platinum
Posts: 5,734
As I dig into the first hundred sample searches or so, it looks so far like the various priority discounts break down something like:
(No card, no status) vs (non-premium card, no status) ~ 8% econ - 14% biz
(no card, no status) vs (non-premium card, 50/75K) ~ 11-12% econ, 15% biz
No status, and a non-premium card, or 35K status and no card, means you pay a pretty consistent 500 points more per award than (35K/card) or 50/75K.
(No card, no status) vs (non-premium card, no status) ~ 8% econ - 14% biz
(no card, no status) vs (non-premium card, 50/75K) ~ 11-12% econ, 15% biz
No status, and a non-premium card, or 35K status and no card, means you pay a pretty consistent 500 points more per award than (35K/card) or 50/75K.
Nov 9, 2020, 8:48 pm
#823
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: YHZ. Previously YYC
Posts: 1,924
Looks like a small win here...
YHZ-YYT-YHZ would be 15,000 + $185 YQ.
I have now found it as low as
13,600 + $155.
So, 1,300 less miles and $30 less... small savings and I'll take it.
YHZ-YYT-YHZ would be 15,000 + $185 YQ.
I have now found it as low as
13,600 + $155.
So, 1,300 less miles and $30 less... small savings and I'll take it.
Nov 9, 2020, 8:58 pm
#824
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,946
Below is what I'm seeing in J one-way on AC metal from YYZ with SE status (I've a premium infinite privilege CC but not sure how much discount if any has been applied):
HND 62,500 + $55
HKG 69,000 + $55
ICN 62,300 + $55
PVG 67,400 +$55
PEK 66,400 +$55
DEL 65,500 + $55
BOM 64,500 + $55
DXB 62,300 +$56
DOH 63,900 +$57
LHR 43,500 + $55
ZRH 54,200 +$55
FRA 46,900 +$55
MUC 52,900 +$55
AMS 44,300 +$55
CDG 43,400 +$55
VIE 51,400 +$55
CPH 44,800 +$55
GRU 48,200 +$55
SCL 48,800 +$55
EZE 48,200 +$55
HND 62,500 + $55
HKG 69,000 + $55
ICN 62,300 + $55
PVG 67,400 +$55
PEK 66,400 +$55
DEL 65,500 + $55
BOM 64,500 + $55
DXB 62,300 +$56
DOH 63,900 +$57
LHR 43,500 + $55
ZRH 54,200 +$55
FRA 46,900 +$55
MUC 52,900 +$55
AMS 44,300 +$55
CDG 43,400 +$55
VIE 51,400 +$55
CPH 44,800 +$55
GRU 48,200 +$55
SCL 48,800 +$55
EZE 48,200 +$55
Nov 9, 2020, 9:10 pm
#825
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 3,946
Also seeing YYZ-YYC-YVR-OGG return (possible overnights in connecting cities) for 62k +$83.60