Aug 12, 2020, 12:02 am
Last edit by: Adam Smith
You must call in for stopovers, multi-city, or complicated routings, until the new booking system launches in 2021.
I hope others will significantly improve this wiki!
There are four zones: North America (inc Central), South America, Atlantic (including India and Western Russia), Pacific (inc Eastern Russia) and the chart is based which one you start from and which one you end up in, there's ten of these.
Cost is based on distance, which zone pair your flight is in, which class you are flying in.
Partner airlines (again) are a better deal because while Air Canada will calculate cost on a wide ranges but partner airlines are fixed to the bottom of the range.
YQ is eliminated. There's a 39 CAD fee for booking a ticket which contains a flight on a partner airline. Aside from this, there's no incentive any more to book a return flight it seems and every incentive not to.
Note: The partner booking fee is refundable, so it's basically a YQ, rather than a booking fee.
Most flights are devalued. However, the elimination of YQ sweetens this significantly. Within North America, a lot of flights became cheaper, YVR-HNL very significantly. YVR-TYO is much cheaper while YVR-AKL is a little cheaper.
A vastly more powerful booking system is promised for 2021.
There are a lot of new tricks to be learned. https://princeoftravel.com/blog/new-aeroplan-flight-rewards/ is a good start.
Information that is harder to find:
I hope others will significantly improve this wiki!
There are four zones: North America (inc Central), South America, Atlantic (including India and Western Russia), Pacific (inc Eastern Russia) and the chart is based which one you start from and which one you end up in, there's ten of these.
Cost is based on distance, which zone pair your flight is in, which class you are flying in.
Partner airlines (again) are a better deal because while Air Canada will calculate cost on a wide ranges but partner airlines are fixed to the bottom of the range.
YQ is eliminated. There's a 39 CAD fee for booking a ticket which contains a flight on a partner airline. Aside from this, there's no incentive any more to book a return flight it seems and every incentive not to.
Note: The partner booking fee is refundable, so it's basically a YQ, rather than a booking fee.
Most flights are devalued. However, the elimination of YQ sweetens this significantly. Within North America, a lot of flights became cheaper, YVR-HNL very significantly. YVR-TYO is much cheaper while YVR-AKL is a little cheaper.
A vastly more powerful booking system is promised for 2021.
There are a lot of new tricks to be learned. https://princeoftravel.com/blog/new-aeroplan-flight-rewards/ is a good start.
Information that is harder to find:
- SE IKK redemption from the old program can be changed ("within reason") without repricing. Dates, routings, no problem. Origin/destination should be fine. But nothing that would have required a repricing under the old program. This is from Mark Nasr in https://www.facebook.com/pointsmiles...44878252851420
- The "Activity" page only shows you the most recent ~48 transactions. See this post for information on how to get older data.
- A partial refund may not be possible (e.g. if you book RT and outbound flight is cancelled by you or AC, to delete the first flight segment, you have to cancel the entire ticket and rebook the inbound at a potentially higher fare. It seems supervisor can grant exceptions.)
2020 Air Canada Aeroplan Program
Aug 11, 2020, 1:12 am
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2020 Air Canada Aeroplan Program
They launched the website a little early eh?
Edit: http://aircanada.com/aeroplan, since I'm feeling so generous after my spiced rum and Coke Zero, which I cannot currently get on board AC flights.
Edit: Chart shows some improvements (distance based within zones, fewer zones, allows something like YYZ-YOW or SFO-YVR to be cheaper). But lots of bad things. I'm unsure about how the new IKK works. I didn't realize it was capped to J. I'm also unsure about YQ on partners, based on wording.
Edit: http://aircanada.com/aeroplan, since I'm feeling so generous after my spiced rum and Coke Zero, which I cannot currently get on board AC flights.
Edit: Chart shows some improvements (distance based within zones, fewer zones, allows something like YYZ-YOW or SFO-YVR to be cheaper). But lots of bad things. I'm unsure about how the new IKK works. I didn't realize it was capped to J. I'm also unsure about YQ on partners, based on wording.
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Aug 11, 2020, 1:21 am
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Aug 11, 2020, 1:23 am
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Aug 11, 2020, 1:24 am
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Aug 11, 2020, 1:25 am
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Just like today’s Air Canada Altitude status, you’ll reach Aeroplan Elite Status based on the number of Status Qualifying Miles (SQM) or Status Qualifying Segments (SQS), and Status Qualifying Dollars (SQD), earned on eligible flights operated by Air Canada and the Star Alliance member airlines over the calendar year (January 1 through December 31). For non-Canadian residents, the required Status Qualifying Dollars will continue to be 50% lower than the published amounts found in the chart below.
Note that for members qualifying for Aeroplan Super Elite Status in 2022, the number of Status Qualifying Segments required will increase from 95 to 100.
Note that for members qualifying for Aeroplan Super Elite Status in 2022, the number of Status Qualifying Segments required will increase from 95 to 100.
Aug 11, 2020, 1:27 am
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Aug 11, 2020, 1:37 am
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Chart, since I forgot to post: https://www.aircanada.com/content/da...s-chart-en.pdf
YYT do is permanently dead since that was a strict deval.
YYT do is permanently dead since that was a strict deval.
Aug 11, 2020, 1:43 am
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Flight reward policy: https://www.aircanada.com/content/da...-policy-en.pdf
$39 booking fee for partner airlines, per ticket.
"Waitlisting Flight Rewards is not permitted" - EXTREMELY disappointed
Mixed cabin itineraries - Courtesy upgrade requests are not permitted, including on day of travel at the airport.
There are also different categories of bookings in each cabin. More miles for Latitude, fees waived. Fewer miles for Standard, pay through the nose. "Note that fees may be waived for eligible Elite Status Members"
$39 booking fee for partner airlines, per ticket.
"Waitlisting Flight Rewards is not permitted" - EXTREMELY disappointed
Mixed cabin itineraries - Courtesy upgrade requests are not permitted, including on day of travel at the airport.
There are also different categories of bookings in each cabin. More miles for Latitude, fees waived. Fewer miles for Standard, pay through the nose. "Note that fees may be waived for eligible Elite Status Members"
Aug 11, 2020, 1:48 am
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https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/aeroplan.html
The new program is launching on November 8, 2020. Looking forward to more specific details especially with credit card details.
Will the new status boost miles count towards MM program?
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Aug 11, 2020, 2:15 am
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There are definitely a mixture of good and bad aspects in the new program, for my purposes.
I like the family account and YQ elimination for AC operated flights.
I don't like the overall devaluation of about 25% for the routes I would normally travel.
I also need to see how the YQ elimination on AC flights works out in reality - will they charge a higher amount of points due to their implied message that AC rewards will actually be a blend of fixed-mileage and market-fare points required? Or did I get that wrong?
This is a significant reduction in benefit.
I like the family account and YQ elimination for AC operated flights.
I don't like the overall devaluation of about 25% for the routes I would normally travel.
I also need to see how the YQ elimination on AC flights works out in reality - will they charge a higher amount of points due to their implied message that AC rewards will actually be a blend of fixed-mileage and market-fare points required? Or did I get that wrong?
Flight reward policy: https://www.aircanada.com/content/da...-policy-en.pdf
Mixed cabin itineraries - Courtesy upgrade requests are not permitted, including on day of travel at the airport.
Mixed cabin itineraries - Courtesy upgrade requests are not permitted, including on day of travel at the airport.
Aug 11, 2020, 2:18 am
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There are definitely a mixture of good and bad aspects in the new program, for my purposes.
I like the family account and YQ elimination for AC operated flights.
I don't like the overall devaluation of about 25% for the routes I would normally travel.
I also need to see how the YQ elimination on AC flights works out in reality - will they charge a higher amount of points due to their implied message that AC rewards will actually be a blend of fixed-mileage and market-fare points required? Or did I get that wrong?
I like the family account and YQ elimination for AC operated flights.
I don't like the overall devaluation of about 25% for the routes I would normally travel.
I also need to see how the YQ elimination on AC flights works out in reality - will they charge a higher amount of points due to their implied message that AC rewards will actually be a blend of fixed-mileage and market-fare points required? Or did I get that wrong?
Aug 11, 2020, 2:24 am
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It's not clear to me, from reading the published documents, whether it's just AC or every airline..
That really sounds like there's only a $39 fee.
You can book Standard, Flex, or Latitude (or PY/J Lowest/Flexible). And every seat will be available for redemption. So it wouldn't surprise me if the extra miles were entirely due to you booking a seat that would never be available for redemption under the old scheme.
Yeah, that one definitely sucks, but I understand it. If you want YYZ-YVR-SFO with YYZ-YVR having I9, and YVR-SFO having J1 C0, you can buy a J fare to get J on both, or you can book a P fare with Y (or more likely M) on YVR-SFO. If you wanted J, you could have paid for J.
There's a lot of stuff I am fairly confident about that wasn't clear on the website.
"Status members can often book flight rewards for even fewer points."
"Primary Aeroplan Credit Cardholders can often book flight rewards for even fewer points."
Does that mean the 110k redemption is going to be 109k for an SE with the CC, or will it be 70k?
We cover cash surcharges.
On any Air Canada flight you purchase with points, we have eliminated additional airline surcharges. That could save you hundreds of dollars in cash at checkout. In fact, only taxes and third-party fees (such as airport fees) are listed in cash, and you can use your points to cover those, too.
If you’re booking a flight reward on another airline, there is a flat Partner Booking Fee of just $39 (per ticket) – which you can also cover with points.
On any Air Canada flight you purchase with points, we have eliminated additional airline surcharges. That could save you hundreds of dollars in cash at checkout. In fact, only taxes and third-party fees (such as airport fees) are listed in cash, and you can use your points to cover those, too.
If you’re booking a flight reward on another airline, there is a flat Partner Booking Fee of just $39 (per ticket) – which you can also cover with points.
Yeah, that one definitely sucks, but I understand it. If you want YYZ-YVR-SFO with YYZ-YVR having I9, and YVR-SFO having J1 C0, you can buy a J fare to get J on both, or you can book a P fare with Y (or more likely M) on YVR-SFO. If you wanted J, you could have paid for J.
There's a lot of stuff I am fairly confident about that wasn't clear on the website.
"Status members can often book flight rewards for even fewer points."
"Primary Aeroplan Credit Cardholders can often book flight rewards for even fewer points."
Does that mean the 110k redemption is going to be 109k for an SE with the CC, or will it be 70k?
Aug 11, 2020, 2:51 am
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most likely will be the equivalent of the TD Visa Infinite Privilege card right now.
you can see the published changes here: https://www.td.com/ca/en/personal-ba...eprivilegeFAQ/
Aug 11, 2020, 2:56 am
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most likely will be the equivalent of the TD Visa Infinite Privilege card right now.
you can see the published changes here: https://www.td.com/ca/en/personal-ba...eprivilegeFAQ/
you can see the published changes here: https://www.td.com/ca/en/personal-ba...eprivilegeFAQ/
Aug 11, 2020, 2:59 am
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quite a devaluation though 
Testing YYZ-TPE on EVA Air
Old program = it was 75K Y/150K J r/t
new program, NA-Pacific zone, 7501+ miles = ONE-WAY Partner 60K Y/85K J (120K Y/170K J r/t)
120K vs 75K in Y is a +60% increase, ...
Testing YYZ-TPE on EVA Air
Old program = it was 75K Y/150K J r/t
new program, NA-Pacific zone, 7501+ miles = ONE-WAY Partner 60K Y/85K J (120K Y/170K J r/t)
120K vs 75K in Y is a +60% increase, ...