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This new annual thread has been carved out of the previous thread in an effort to reduce the number of megathreads on the AC forum. For those interested previous versions are the original 2004 - 2014 thread , 2015 edition, 2016 edition , 2017 edition, 2018 edition and 2019 edition.

The original thread started by accident but quickly became a popular place to come and discuss off topic things such as hockey, new movies, or almost anything that wouldn't fit into existing AC forum threads. Air Canada or Aeroplan topics such as flight feedback, in-flight services issues, status or mileage earning/redemption are all topics that should go into existing AC forum threads so others can benefit from this information. Topics about hotels or airlines and/or their loyalty programs, destinations, in-flight travel tech. or anything best discussed elsewhere on FT may be relocated to that forum as this thread isn't meant to import travel topics to this forum that are better discussed on other forums. FT is an amazingly diverse and large community so members are encouraged to seek out all of its resources.

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Old May 16, 2020 | 6:35 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
lol

2-3 per day maybe. Or more.

Plus sparkling water.
That's... A lot.

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Old May 16, 2020 | 1:10 pm
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WaytoomuchEurope , I watched The Gentlemen this morning. Fantastic film. Where has this Guy Ritchie been for the last 20 years or so?
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Old May 16, 2020 | 11:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
That's... A lot.
I knew a guy who went thru 4-5 cans of Coke a day in office.
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Old May 16, 2020 | 11:35 pm
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Originally Posted by jc94
I knew a guy who went thru 4-5 cans of Coke a day in office.
Yeah, but a 2L bottle is almost 6 cans worth. If he needs 2-3 those a day, that's big.
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Old May 16, 2020 | 11:39 pm
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On a "normal" day, I drink ~8 cans in the office, and I don't start until lunch.

Then I come home where I have a fountain.

The bovine is similar.

I don't 3-4 bottles a day, but WE do.
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Old May 17, 2020 | 12:14 am
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Still... A friend of mine developed some heart issues a few years ago. His doctor determined that his drinking 11 cans a day of Diet Pepsi was playing a significant role in that.

I don't know all the details, but he was definitely told he needed to cut back, and doing so helped make the issue go away.

My dentist has also been bugging me recently to cut back my (much more moderate) consumption because it's so bad on your teeth.
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Old May 17, 2020 | 12:20 am
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
Still... A friend of mine developed some heart issues a few years ago. His doctor determined that his drinking 11 cans a day of Diet Pepsi was playing a significant role in that.
Link to something more reputable

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I don't know all the details, but he was definitely told he needed to cut back, and doing so helped make the issue go away.
Without some kind of linked study, this is correlation, not causation.

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My dentist has also been bugging me recently to cut back my (much more moderate) consumption because it's so bad on your teeth.
That's fair, and if I hear anything from a dentist, I'll reconsider.

Again, my primary (at-home) non-alcoholic beverage is sparkling water, not Coke Zero.
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Old May 17, 2020 | 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
Yeah, but a 2L bottle is almost 6 cans worth. If he needs 2-3 those a day, that's big.
Yeah but that was just in the office Still I dont think he ever drunk 8 just after lunch.

Originally Posted by Adam Smith
Still... A friend of mine developed some heart issues a few years ago. His doctor determined that his drinking 11 cans a day of Diet Pepsi was playing a significant role in that.

I don't know all the details, but he was definitely told he needed to cut back, and doing so helped make the issue go away.

My dentist has also been bugging me recently to cut back my (much more moderate) consumption because it's so bad on your teeth.
Yeah I was wondering about the dentist, isnt Zero sugar free? But hey my dentist complains I drink coffee and red wine (neither in excess) so I cant one cant win. Maybe the Coke washes those traces away and at least youre getting your fluids 🤪
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Old May 17, 2020 | 11:40 am
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Without some kind of linked study, this is correlation, not causation.
Depending on how much caffeine you drink, caffeine will decrease your heart rate (low dose), increase it (high dose), or cause the heart to beat irregularly by directly bypassing the heart's internal pacemaker and causing heart muscle cells to contract out of sync (extremely high dose). Citation: the end of paragraph 2 on page 2. In people who don't have any underlying abnormalities with their heart, caffeine is probably fine, but it's not uncommon to have an abnormality that you don't know about, and if you do, significant caffeine intake could provoke an issue.

That's fair, and if I hear anything from a dentist, I'll reconsider.

Again, my primary (at-home) non-alcoholic beverage is sparkling water, not Coke Zero.
Is it not common knowledge that acids (including carbonic acid) can cause the demineralization of enamel? It's the same reason why we tell patients with GERD to take their PPI/antacids: if you don't, your teeth aren't going to look great (and you're at an increased risk for esophageal cancer). Anyways, if you want research to support that, a quick search reveals in vitro evidence showing that exposure to Coke, Diet Coke, Coke Life, or some Zevia Cola causes extracted teeth to erode more than exposure to 0.9% NaCl (incidentally, a similar study done with extracted cw teeth showed that Sprite, apple juice and OJ are 5x more erosive than Coke Light, so which non-still water you choose to drink matters). Interestingly, another study on extracted teeth (you'd need to look at the full text for this one) showed that sparkling water is worse than still water but nowhere near as bad as soft drinks, likely because there are other acids in soft drinks, some of which are probably stronger than carbonic acid. So Adam's dentist is right: soft drinks are bad for your teeth, and carbonated water is better but not as good as still water, but everyone has their own calculation on whether they think it's worth it or not.
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Yeah I was wondering about the dentist, isn’t Zero sugar free?
When they say it's sugar-free, they mean it has nothing that your body will metabolize as sugar (as far as they know). It still has chemicals that our bodies might not take in...but bacteria may still like. Drinks with "natural sugars" have the same potential for acid protection and can still generate cavities.
Maybe the Coke washes those traces away and at least you’re getting your fluids 🤪
Lol, not quite, but the big risk factor (aside from the sugar stuck on your teeth giving something to eat) is the fact that some drinks will bring your mouth's pH below 5.5, which is the point at which enamels break down. It'll slowly go back up as more and more saliva is produced, and you can probably accelerate that by drinking tap water

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Old May 17, 2020 | 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by jc94
Yeah but that was just in the office Still I dont think he ever drunk 8 just after lunch.



Yeah I was wondering about the dentist, isnt Zero sugar free? But hey my dentist complains I drink coffee and red wine (neither in excess) so I cant one cant win. Maybe the Coke washes those traces away and at least youre getting your fluids 🤪
As pewpew explained, it's the acids. The same thing applies to a lesser extent with coffee as well.

My dentist also told me it's worse if you drink these beverages right after brushing when the tooth surface has been freshly scoured. Of course, many people brush first thing in the morning then immediately drink coffee.
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Old May 17, 2020 | 1:33 pm
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Not that I drink a lot of pop (soda to some of you), but my dentist has always told me that whether it's citric acid, sodium citrate, or phosphoric acid, they are all especially bad for your teeth. I think that list covers the range of acids used in most of the Coke and Pepsi products.

Of course, there are many, many other things that are also bad for your teeth, including juice for children.

But I like to think that almost anything can fixed with good rum, so what do I know.
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Old May 17, 2020 | 1:37 pm
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Old May 17, 2020 | 1:45 pm
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Originally Posted by eigenvector
As pewpew explained, it's the acids. The same thing applies to a lesser extent with coffee as well.

My dentist also told me it's worse if you drink these beverages right after brushing when the tooth surface has been freshly scoured. Of course, many people brush first thing in the morning then immediately drink coffee.
Yeah, I always try to leave some time between brushing and drinking. Used to be Id brush at home and drink coffee a few hours later in office. Last few months Ive drunk my coffee at home then brushed my teeth.

Which is better I cant say given my latest dentist appt was, of course, cancelled last week.
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Old May 17, 2020 | 2:14 pm
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Originally Posted by pewpew
so which non-still water you choose to drink matters
I don't understand. Is it just the amount of CO2 dissolved in the H2O that matters?

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My dentist also told me it's worse if you drink these beverages right after brushing when the tooth surface has been freshly scoured. Of course, many people brush first thing in the morning then immediately drink coffee.
I'm definitely aware of that, and I definitely make sure I'm not drinking anything for quite a while after brushing.
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Old May 17, 2020 | 2:16 pm
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Thanks to pewpew for the detailed explanation

But yes, with the pop, it's the acidity, rather than sugar, that's the bigger problem for teeth. I'm not sure whether it's worse right after brushing, but what my dentist told me is that it's much better if you drink those things with food, since the food sort of carriers away some of the acid that would otherwise eat away at your teeth.
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