Announcing Air Canada Altitude
Sep 20, 2012, 5:28 pm
#136
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: YYZ
Programs: UA1K2MM ACMME50 SQPPS HHDiamond Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,391
Sep 20, 2012, 5:29 pm
#137
Original Member
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 6,222
Really. It time you stop being bitter & bash AC every opportunity you get.
Here is one example: EZE-NRT 11,374 miles.
The fare in coach may be more than going via USA on US carriers or Japanese carrier.
AC not competive coach fare with upgrades is way lower than discounted business fare on that route with Japanese carriers.
There is fair amount of trafic between SA & Asia. With the Olympics there will be increase traffic.
AC does have Asian based SE.
UA for example has large Japanese MP members.
Here is one example: EZE-NRT 11,374 miles.
The fare in coach may be more than going via USA on US carriers or Japanese carrier.
AC not competive coach fare with upgrades is way lower than discounted business fare on that route with Japanese carriers.
There is fair amount of trafic between SA & Asia. With the Olympics there will be increase traffic.
AC does have Asian based SE.
UA for example has large Japanese MP members.
Bash?
I was simply pointing out that this change is likely to affect very few people, if any. If anything, it was a defence of the change.
I can only presume you are externalizing some bitterness of your own.
Sep 20, 2012, 5:35 pm
#139
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold, AA EXP, UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 21,602
Sep 20, 2012, 5:38 pm
#140
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: YYZ
Programs: UA1K2MM ACMME50 SQPPS HHDiamond Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,391
[QUOTE=Shareholder;19354006]Shame on you! Trying to sneak out of paying another SWU!
The one that only allows international upgrades on Y, B, M fares & award currency that is nicknamed Skypesos
The one that serves Krug with strawberries & Caviar from YVR to North American cities
The one that only allows international upgrades on Y, B, M fares & award currency that is nicknamed Skypesos
Last edited by yyzprincess; Sep 20, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Sep 20, 2012, 6:06 pm
#145
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: PHX
Programs: AAexp, AC75k, HertzPC, NationalEE, Accor/MariottP, Hilton/HyattG
Posts: 3,614
For the post regarding YEG-YVR, the base miles that you earn flying AC is 502 miles( I confirmed by looking on a friends AE account).
I wonder if YEG-YVR counts than?
I wonder if YEG-YVR counts than?
Sep 20, 2012, 6:16 pm
#146
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: AC E50K (*G), Westjet Gold
Posts: 788
hmmmm....Got the email and sat through a lecture reading all the changes...
I'm going to be between 35 and 50 ish, almost all domestic, so I really don't think the changes are that bad. With 35K I still get MLL access in canada, priority ground services- mainly security lines (minus priority baggage, which makes little difference), and eupgrades at 4 days... Losing *G is annoying for the few times I do use it, but its not the end of the world.
For some of the higher levels...Interesting to see SEs get aeroplan and ACV upgrade opportunities-- I think it's a great way to reward the top FFs, without having to give up space that could be from fare pax (as these can only be requested at check in, as I understand).
I also like the new zones for Eupgrades. I think for alot of shorter commuter flights, especially out east, it will be a welcomed change. For the Tango plus pax who need to spend over 30 credits for an upgrade on the longest routings, not so much...
I'm not sure how I feel about the tighter upgrade rules (nominees, fewer credits for SEs)-- I like that it gives more opportunities for lower status pax to get in and make J a bit more "exclusive", but I do think the top FFs deserve to be rewarded for their loyalty- especially considering what other US carriers are doing with unlimited upgrades....
Overall, I'm happy! I think AC knows that for those with 35-50K, most travel is domestic, and their new levels and benefits show that. For the top FFs, international perks are still there with even more available for reward/vacation travel.
I'm going to be between 35 and 50 ish, almost all domestic, so I really don't think the changes are that bad. With 35K I still get MLL access in canada, priority ground services- mainly security lines (minus priority baggage, which makes little difference), and eupgrades at 4 days... Losing *G is annoying for the few times I do use it, but its not the end of the world.
For some of the higher levels...Interesting to see SEs get aeroplan and ACV upgrade opportunities-- I think it's a great way to reward the top FFs, without having to give up space that could be from fare pax (as these can only be requested at check in, as I understand).
I also like the new zones for Eupgrades. I think for alot of shorter commuter flights, especially out east, it will be a welcomed change. For the Tango plus pax who need to spend over 30 credits for an upgrade on the longest routings, not so much...
I'm not sure how I feel about the tighter upgrade rules (nominees, fewer credits for SEs)-- I like that it gives more opportunities for lower status pax to get in and make J a bit more "exclusive", but I do think the top FFs deserve to be rewarded for their loyalty- especially considering what other US carriers are doing with unlimited upgrades....
Overall, I'm happy! I think AC knows that for those with 35-50K, most travel is domestic, and their new levels and benefits show that. For the top FFs, international perks are still there with even more available for reward/vacation travel.
Sep 20, 2012, 6:21 pm
#147
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 648
hmmmm....Got the email and sat through a lecture reading all the changes...
I'm going to be between 35 and 50 ish, almost all domestic, so I really don't think the changes are that bad. With 35K I still get MLL access in canada, priority ground services- mainly security lines (minus priority baggage, which makes little difference), and eupgrades at 4 days... Losing *G is annoying for the few times I do use it, but its not the end of the world.
For some of the higher levels...Interesting to see SEs get aeroplan and ACV upgrade opportunities-- I think it's a great way to reward the top FFs, without having to give up space that could be from fare pax (as these can only be requested at check in, as I understand).
I also like the new zones for Eupgrades. I think for alot of shorter commuter flights, especially out east, it will be a welcomed change. For the Tango plus pax who need to spend over 30 credits for an upgrade on the longest routings, not so much...
I'm not sure how I feel about the tighter upgrade rules (nominees, fewer credits for SEs)-- I like that it gives more opportunities for lower status pax to get in and make J a bit more "exclusive", but I do think the top FFs deserve to be rewarded for their loyalty- especially considering what other US carriers are doing with unlimited upgrades....
Overall, I'm happy! I think AC knows that for those with 35-50K, most travel is domestic, and their new levels and benefits show that. For the top FFs, international perks are still there with even more available for reward/vacation travel.
I'm going to be between 35 and 50 ish, almost all domestic, so I really don't think the changes are that bad. With 35K I still get MLL access in canada, priority ground services- mainly security lines (minus priority baggage, which makes little difference), and eupgrades at 4 days... Losing *G is annoying for the few times I do use it, but its not the end of the world.
For some of the higher levels...Interesting to see SEs get aeroplan and ACV upgrade opportunities-- I think it's a great way to reward the top FFs, without having to give up space that could be from fare pax (as these can only be requested at check in, as I understand).
I also like the new zones for Eupgrades. I think for alot of shorter commuter flights, especially out east, it will be a welcomed change. For the Tango plus pax who need to spend over 30 credits for an upgrade on the longest routings, not so much...
I'm not sure how I feel about the tighter upgrade rules (nominees, fewer credits for SEs)-- I like that it gives more opportunities for lower status pax to get in and make J a bit more "exclusive", but I do think the top FFs deserve to be rewarded for their loyalty- especially considering what other US carriers are doing with unlimited upgrades....
Overall, I'm happy! I think AC knows that for those with 35-50K, most travel is domestic, and their new levels and benefits show that. For the top FFs, international perks are still there with even more available for reward/vacation travel.
Sep 20, 2012, 6:41 pm
#148
Join Date: May 2004
Location: yyz
Programs: AC*SE 1MM. a bunch of hotel programs.
Posts: 1,592
I am sticking wiht AC. at SE level, its still pretty damn good. for someone who is YYZ based, its about the best in terms of nonstop and convenient flights anywhere. the service is good and Y and J class are on par with better (not best) carriers. connecting via the US is not an option unless you like getting abused.
Sep 20, 2012, 6:57 pm
#149
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC QR WS*P
Posts: 372
Was looking through the bundles for the 35K, as that is where I will sit for this year. While I mostly do international travel I just didn't fly enough to make 50K, so I can accept the reduction in benifits from E to E- until I make 50K next year (provided there is early recognition for 50K next year).
For Bundle 1 I am undecided on what to choose between the bonus miles, the credits, and the international lounge access (all of which I could use). Provided there is early recognition 50K for 2014, and I were given it for 2013 as well (as had been done for E in the past), if I opted for the 50% bonus when early recognition came in for 2013/2014 would the bonus be back credited for past flights in 2013, or just for my remaining flights in 2013 (this is probably covered in a past post somewhere). If they would be back credited for previous flights there would be no reason to select the mileage bonus for this year, as I will certainly make 50K next year, which would leave the choice between using international lounges vs. 10 credits (which at 35K might not be so useful anyway as I will be likely on Q class tickets). This probably hasn't been announced yet, but in the past have they back credited bonus miles for early recognition?
Bundle 2 is interesting, the aircanada.com travel options is quite vague (and the default option):
Choose this Select Privilege and enjoy a range of complimentary or discounted travel options, such as Onboard Café, which can be applied on future bookings completed at aircanada.com.
Free (or discounted) meals on domestic flights...I guess that would be a decent choice if someone only/mainly flew domestic, which (as I was posted earlier) this range is catered to (no pun intended). The wording kind of makes it hard to consider it as an option as it is written now.
For Bundle 1 I am undecided on what to choose between the bonus miles, the credits, and the international lounge access (all of which I could use). Provided there is early recognition 50K for 2014, and I were given it for 2013 as well (as had been done for E in the past), if I opted for the 50% bonus when early recognition came in for 2013/2014 would the bonus be back credited for past flights in 2013, or just for my remaining flights in 2013 (this is probably covered in a past post somewhere). If they would be back credited for previous flights there would be no reason to select the mileage bonus for this year, as I will certainly make 50K next year, which would leave the choice between using international lounges vs. 10 credits (which at 35K might not be so useful anyway as I will be likely on Q class tickets). This probably hasn't been announced yet, but in the past have they back credited bonus miles for early recognition?
Bundle 2 is interesting, the aircanada.com travel options is quite vague (and the default option):
Choose this Select Privilege and enjoy a range of complimentary or discounted travel options, such as Onboard Café, which can be applied on future bookings completed at aircanada.com.
Free (or discounted) meals on domestic flights...I guess that would be a decent choice if someone only/mainly flew domestic, which (as I was posted earlier) this range is catered to (no pun intended). The wording kind of makes it hard to consider it as an option as it is written now.
Last edited by kelapstick; Sep 20, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Sep 20, 2012, 7:01 pm
#150
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: YEG
Programs: AC*E75
Posts: 885
I wonder too. If I need work done I sometimes upgrade this route, would probably do more at only 4 credits