The WestJet 737 MAX 8 thread
Dec 29, 2019, 2:06 pm
#181
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It would be interesting to know what the key determining factors were (other than Price).
Dec 29, 2019, 3:06 pm
#182
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Dec 29, 2019, 3:18 pm
#183
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Overall the 787 is the best compromise for operating out of YYC, YYZ and YVR hubs to the most cities with the right range, but all 3 aircraft can be made to work at the right price.
Dec 29, 2019, 6:13 pm
#185
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The A330 is best for slim (lower volume) and medium range routes, A350 for larger volume and longest routes. The A330 can be configured with 9 abreast seating (as done by Air Transat on their A330-300s), but it is approximately 3cm per seat narrower than a 787, so most airlines go with 8 abreast. The A350 has the lowest CASM, but with 350 seats compared with 320 on the 787, so it rules out routes that can’t support the extra capacity.
Overall the 787 is the best compromise for operating out of YYC, YYZ and YVR hubs to the most cities with the right range, but all 3 aircraft can be made to work at the right price.
Overall the 787 is the best compromise for operating out of YYC, YYZ and YVR hubs to the most cities with the right range, but all 3 aircraft can be made to work at the right price.
And the (perceived) value in being able to offer 'Dreamliner' service. Westjet certainly sees a lot of value in this, even displaying the Dreamliner logo in flight searches.
Ron.
Dec 30, 2019, 12:02 am
#186
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A very small consideration when looking at the 787 v 737 as there are few if any common components and the software and support systems only have a limited compatibility set. Pilot and flight attendant training is also quite different.
One of the more compelling reasons to stay with Boeing is the availability of GE engines on the 787 as well as the 737, with common data integration and maintenance systems and contracts. A330neo and A350 is Rolls.
One of the more compelling reasons to stay with Boeing is the availability of GE engines on the 787 as well as the 737, with common data integration and maintenance systems and contracts. A330neo and A350 is Rolls.
Dec 30, 2019, 7:15 am
#187
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The 789 is a great plane and I'm sure it does represent the best all-round compromise flying ex-Canada.
That said, I've come to love the A350. BA has been flying an A350-1000 YYZ-LHR for a couple of months now ... very quiet, very comfortable. AF has also been flying their A350-900 YYZ-CDG on and off.
I think the cabin width between the A350 and 787 is only a difference of about 5 inches, but the big bus just seems more spacious. I also like that it has actual window shades, rather than the electronic ones on the 787 that never really go completely dark.
Biggest beef is that from YYZ it goes into LHR, which is a lot less convenient for me than LGW. So I'll still be on WS3 more often than not :-)
That said, I've come to love the A350. BA has been flying an A350-1000 YYZ-LHR for a couple of months now ... very quiet, very comfortable. AF has also been flying their A350-900 YYZ-CDG on and off.
I think the cabin width between the A350 and 787 is only a difference of about 5 inches, but the big bus just seems more spacious. I also like that it has actual window shades, rather than the electronic ones on the 787 that never really go completely dark.
Biggest beef is that from YYZ it goes into LHR, which is a lot less convenient for me than LGW. So I'll still be on WS3 more often than not :-)
Last edited by Symmetre; Dec 30, 2019 at 7:22 am
Dec 30, 2019, 11:45 am
#188
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A very small consideration when looking at the 787 v 737 as there are few if any common components and the software and support systems only have a limited compatibility set. Pilot and flight attendant training is also quite different.
One of the more compelling reasons to stay with Boeing is the availability of GE engines on the 787 as well as the 737, with common data integration and maintenance systems and contracts. A330neo and A350 is Rolls.
One of the more compelling reasons to stay with Boeing is the availability of GE engines on the 787 as well as the 737, with common data integration and maintenance systems and contracts. A330neo and A350 is Rolls.
Dec 30, 2019, 2:45 pm
#189
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Yes, they are considerations and have some benefit, but then offsetting that Airbus can also be aggressive to gain new business and add incentives that may not be offered to existing customers, so it works both ways.
Dec 30, 2019, 3:53 pm
#190
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Jan 2, 2020, 1:36 am
#191
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Just noticed that my April YYZ - BGI has been changed out for a Max8 from a 700 series.
Makes me a titch uneasy. Also I have booked exit row seats in Row 11 that are not exit row seats in the Max. I know I could call to switch them but wonder if the Max will actually be a go by April. Anyone else have flights switched to the Max 8?
Makes me a titch uneasy. Also I have booked exit row seats in Row 11 that are not exit row seats in the Max. I know I could call to switch them but wonder if the Max will actually be a go by April. Anyone else have flights switched to the Max 8?
Jan 2, 2020, 2:44 am
#192
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My girlfriend's parents just booked non-stop YYC-HNL through a travel agent for early March... they're going to be pretty pissed-off when they get re-booked through Vancouver with an overnight layover on their return flight.
Jan 2, 2020, 4:42 pm
#193
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Resurrecting an old post as we are getting closer than I ever expected to a summer season with no MAX8. We booked the nonstop YHZ-CDG for this June (YHZ is home). Yes, I knew it was the Max when I booked back in August, but never expected it would still be out of commission.
If the strategy below holds for 2020, who are the likely partners? Delta? Air France? Air France from YUL is not bad, based on current availability. Much as I'd enjoy a free stopover in Calgary to visit my brother, I do NOT want to fly four hours west to add 4 hours to my east-bound itinerary!
Or maybe the long experience with this particular issue has spawned a different workaround? Would appreciate your thoughts before I start obsessing about losing that great air bnb we have booked in the 3ieme arrondisement...
If the strategy below holds for 2020, who are the likely partners? Delta? Air France? Air France from YUL is not bad, based on current availability. Much as I'd enjoy a free stopover in Calgary to visit my brother, I do NOT want to fly four hours west to add 4 hours to my east-bound itinerary!
Or maybe the long experience with this particular issue has spawned a different workaround? Would appreciate your thoughts before I start obsessing about losing that great air bnb we have booked in the 3ieme arrondisement...
WJ announced an updated impact of the MAX grounding through to July 3rd:https://blog.westjet.com/guest-advis...ax-groundings/
The slightly eye popping bit is:
Flights between Halifax and Paris have been suspended from June 3 through August 2, 2019. We are in the process of contacting affected guests who will be rebooked through either Calgary, non-stop on our Dreamliner to Paris, or with one of our partner airlines through Toronto, Montreal or New York.
Can't imagine anyone in YHZ wanting to fly 8 hrs in the wrong direction just to get the Dreamliner to CDG!
The slightly eye popping bit is:
Flights between Halifax and Paris have been suspended from June 3 through August 2, 2019. We are in the process of contacting affected guests who will be rebooked through either Calgary, non-stop on our Dreamliner to Paris, or with one of our partner airlines through Toronto, Montreal or New York.
Can't imagine anyone in YHZ wanting to fly 8 hrs in the wrong direction just to get the Dreamliner to CDG!
Jan 2, 2020, 5:33 pm
#194
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WS to LGW, then air or train to CDG.
I suspect the train would be at your expense.
Vueling and Easyjet are the only two options from LGW to CDG.
AF flies LHR - CDG.
Most airlines seem to be giving several months lead time with upcoming cancellations.
I suspect you will find out well before July 31 if your YHZ-CDG will operate.
Don't obsess, just be prepared to compromise.
I suspect the train would be at your expense.
Vueling and Easyjet are the only two options from LGW to CDG.
AF flies LHR - CDG.
Most airlines seem to be giving several months lead time with upcoming cancellations.
I suspect you will find out well before July 31 if your YHZ-CDG will operate.
Don't obsess, just be prepared to compromise.
Jan 2, 2020, 5:55 pm
#195
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Resurrecting an old post as we are getting closer than I ever expected to a summer season with no MAX8. We booked the nonstop YHZ-CDG for this June (YHZ is home). Yes, I knew it was the Max when I booked back in August, but never expected it would still be out of commission.
If the strategy below holds for 2020, who are the likely partners? Delta? Air France? Air France from YUL is not bad, based on current availability. Much as I'd enjoy a free stopover in Calgary to visit my brother, I do NOT want to fly four hours west to add 4 hours to my east-bound itinerary!
Or maybe the long experience with this particular issue has spawned a different workaround? Would appreciate your thoughts before I start obsessing about losing that great air bnb we have booked in the 3ieme arrondisement...
If the strategy below holds for 2020, who are the likely partners? Delta? Air France? Air France from YUL is not bad, based on current availability. Much as I'd enjoy a free stopover in Calgary to visit my brother, I do NOT want to fly four hours west to add 4 hours to my east-bound itinerary!
Or maybe the long experience with this particular issue has spawned a different workaround? Would appreciate your thoughts before I start obsessing about losing that great air bnb we have booked in the 3ieme arrondisement...