The WestJet 737 MAX 8 thread
Apr 26, 2019, 10:28 pm
#121
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Grounded 737 MAX = opportunity to upgrade to 2x2 premium config?
So with the 737 MAX grounding, is this their prime opportunity to upgrade to 2x2 premium config? It would be nice all 13 of them that are grounded upgraded to the 2x2 premium configuration so that they get a leap on their plans. They would need to fly the seats in, though.
Apr 27, 2019, 12:32 am
#122
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Lead time on aircraft seats can be quite long. Doubtful they're just laying around and can be installed anytime soon.
Even if they did have them available, no need to fly them to the aircraft - ferry flights are permitted.
Even if they did have them available, no need to fly them to the aircraft - ferry flights are permitted.
Apr 27, 2019, 5:51 am
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Apr 28, 2019, 6:46 am
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So with the 737 MAX grounding, is this their prime opportunity to upgrade to 2x2 premium config? It would be nice all 13 of them that are grounded upgraded to the 2x2 premium configuration so that they get a leap on their plans. They would need to fly the seats in, though.
Apr 29, 2019, 6:48 am
#125
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WJ announced an updated impact of the MAX grounding through to July 3rd:https://blog.westjet.com/guest-advis...ax-groundings/
The slightly eye popping bit is:
Flights between Halifax and Paris have been suspended from June 3 through August 2, 2019. We are in the process of contacting affected guests who will be rebooked through either Calgary, non-stop on our Dreamliner to Paris, or with one of our partner airlines through Toronto, Montreal or New York.
Can't imagine anyone in YHZ wanting to fly 8 hrs in the wrong direction just to get the Dreamliner to CDG!
The slightly eye popping bit is:
Flights between Halifax and Paris have been suspended from June 3 through August 2, 2019. We are in the process of contacting affected guests who will be rebooked through either Calgary, non-stop on our Dreamliner to Paris, or with one of our partner airlines through Toronto, Montreal or New York.
Can't imagine anyone in YHZ wanting to fly 8 hrs in the wrong direction just to get the Dreamliner to CDG!
Apr 29, 2019, 7:43 am
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WJ announced an updated impact of the MAX grounding through to July 3rd:https://blog.westjet.com/guest-advis...ax-groundings/
The slightly eye popping bit is:
Flights between Halifax and Paris have been suspended from June 3 through August 2, 2019. We are in the process of contacting affected guests who will be rebooked through either Calgary, non-stop on our Dreamliner to Paris, or with one of our partner airlines through Toronto, Montreal or New York.
Can't imagine anyone in YHZ wanting to fly 8 hrs in the wrong direction just to get the Dreamliner to CDG!
The slightly eye popping bit is:
Flights between Halifax and Paris have been suspended from June 3 through August 2, 2019. We are in the process of contacting affected guests who will be rebooked through either Calgary, non-stop on our Dreamliner to Paris, or with one of our partner airlines through Toronto, Montreal or New York.
Can't imagine anyone in YHZ wanting to fly 8 hrs in the wrong direction just to get the Dreamliner to CDG!
Apr 29, 2019, 9:26 am
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As a frequent YYT-LHR traveller, acutely aware of how such a short flight means obtaining and retaining status can be challenging, even I wouldn't want to travel so far out of my way!
Apr 29, 2019, 12:58 pm
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Each airline may add different procedures to make their own standard operating practices unique, but end of the day, all airlines in Canada operate at a safe standard.Last edited by cirrusdragoon; Apr 29, 2019 at 3:14 pm
Apr 29, 2019, 2:37 pm
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These extra's cost AC millions, which WS was not willing to spend. Maybe it is time?
Apr 29, 2019, 3:15 pm
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???? Transport Canada doesn't set Canadian airlines safety Benchmarks. This is done by each airline themselves. Transport Canada only regulates the bare min safety levels. This is why WS only order 1 additional safety option, where AC took both options. Also, AC is the only North American airline to order 737-max simulators and is currently training their pilots on Boeing software updates. Finally, AC is also the only airline in North America that upgraded their 737-Max cockpits instrument panels, addiing a additional safety level. This was a custom upgrade not offered by Boeing.
These extra's cost AC millions, which WS was not willing to spend. Maybe it is time?
These extra's cost AC millions, which WS was not willing to spend. Maybe it is time?
WestJet has multiple 737 simulators
It's a common type rating so a 737 simulator is a 737 simulator. They have a special course called a differences course to learn the differences between each model.
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Apr 29, 2019, 6:22 pm
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Meanwhile, United Airlines, a much larger airline than Air Canada did not select the indicators or the disagree lights for their 14 MAX planes. The company does not include the features because its pilots use other data to fly the plane. All primary flight information required to safely and efficiently operate the 737 MAX is already included, and with proper flight training, those extra angle of attack features Boeing found to not be a requirement.With the right training, the crews can deal with it. That being said Boeing is now going to offer it to all operators free of charge, therefore Westjet will have it as Boeing was in the wrong with this. https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...28-p518be.html
WestJet has multiple 737 simulators https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAM-opoJlv8, as the Max shares fleet commonality, they have programming for the max aircraft. It's a common type rating so a 737 simulator is a 737 simulator. They have a special course called a differences course to learn the differences between each model.
WestJet has multiple 737 simulators https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAM-opoJlv8, as the Max shares fleet commonality, they have programming for the max aircraft.
It's a common type rating so a 737 simulator is a 737 simulator. They have a special course called a differences course to learn the differences between each model.Going forward, of course, this may change...Transport Canada will dictate required training.
Apr 29, 2019, 8:57 pm
#133
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???? Transport Canada doesn't set Canadian airlines safety Benchmarks. This is done by each airline themselves. Transport Canada only regulates the bare min safety levels. This is why WS only order 1 additional safety option, where AC took both options. Also, AC is the only North American airline to order 737-max simulators and is currently training their pilots on Boeing software updates. Finally, AC is also the only airline in North America that upgraded their 737-Max cockpits instrument panels, addiing a additional safety level. This was a custom upgrade not offered by Boeing.
These extra's cost AC millions, which WS was not willing to spend. Maybe it is time?
These extra's cost AC millions, which WS was not willing to spend. Maybe it is time?
WS is in a very different position.
Apr 29, 2019, 9:15 pm
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To be perfectly clear, Air Canada neither chose nor bought more “safety” than WestJet did, or United, or countless other airlines.
The fact that AC chose two optional features related to MCAS and AOA - while WestJet chose one - was based on how both airlines wanted to configure their cockpits for their flight crews. Period. None of AC or WS or UA or Southwest or any other airline would have made those decisions based on what level of safety they wanted to attain, or how much they wanted to avoid crashing.
There was (quite rightfully) a base assumption from every single airline that the aircraft would be fully “safe” regardless of the feature set that they chose to buy from Boeing.
Yes, AC bought two optional features related to cockpit systems while WS bought one. That doesn’t in any way mean that AC has better “safety standards” as you imply.