2011 Mileage Plus and OnePass elite program developments
Nov 19, 2010, 7:24 pm
#916
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I'm with the camp that prefers to get their SWUs Jan-Jan. Crediting in Nov/Dec (when I usually requalify) is less beneficial to me. I would also be in favour of spreading out our SWU crediting similar to the current CR1 system. 1 or 2 SWUs per 25,000 BIS UA miles means no major push to use all SWUs at the end of next year and also be a soft landing for those that won't / can't re-qualify as 1K the following year.
Nov 19, 2010, 7:25 pm
#917
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Actually, makes me wonder, how high up such a change and adjustment thereof is being handled/reviewed. Up to the CEO's desk?
Agree on the Jan-Jan procedure. However, I understand that UA wants one of the main benefits (SWU) keep for true 1Ks only. Otherwise, someone just qualifying for 2P might end with SWUs. Soft landing to regular 1P/2P would be fair enough, IMHO.
I'm with the camp that prefers to get their SWUs Jan-Jan. Crediting in Nov/Dec (when I usually requalify) is less beneficial to me. I would also be in favour of spreading out our SWU crediting similar to the current CR1 system. 1 or 2 SWUs per 25,000 BIS UA miles means no major push to use all SWUs at the end of next year and also be a soft landing for those that won't / can't re-qualify as 1K the following year.
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Nov 19, 2010, 7:30 pm
#918
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transpac
This of course can be worked-around by simply removing your MP# from the record, after clearing any upgrades, and then retroactively claiming mileage credit, near the end of December or in early January.
You remove your MP # from the record after taking advantage of all the perks. 
It can be challenging, but it is done by many who want to decide later which program to credit the miles toward.
Originally Posted by transpac
This of course can be worked-around by simply removing your MP# from the record, after clearing any upgrades, and then retroactively claiming mileage credit, near the end of December or in early January.
It can be challenging, but it is done by many who want to decide later which program to credit the miles toward.
Nov 19, 2010, 7:31 pm
#919
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UA actually agrees with you. They use that 1000 EQM = 1 EQS ratio for UA/Chase Choices and for Elite Choice carry-over EQM/EQS.
Nov 19, 2010, 7:34 pm
#920
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Why torture the 1 or 2P with SWUs?
Expanding the "fairness" discussion I guess one would say that 1P, 2Ps should get some fraction of 1K benefits, like 1 or 2 SWU's and 2 or 3 CR-1's? That would remove any irregularity or unevenness.
As a 1K I love being the "teacher's pet".
Apologies if I come across as overly pedantic, or strident.
As a 1K I love being the "teacher's pet".
Apologies if I come across as overly pedantic, or strident.
Spare the 1 or 2Ps such cruelty. Or, as they say, "Think of the children!"
Nov 19, 2010, 7:37 pm
#921
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Nov 19, 2010, 7:43 pm
#922
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I'm no expert but I don't believe this is true. Credit card spending does not count towards annual elite status. It does count towards lifetime miles I think (so to earn 1MM flyer, etc.).
Nov 19, 2010, 7:57 pm
#923
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TThe bigger deal was that if CO gave out 8 CR-1s, their revenue model would break. Too many plats that would ormally buy YBM fares to get the confirmed upgrade would now just buy the cheapest fare and upgrade. Four RTs per plat where you lost several hundred dollars of revenue would be a problem. But they couldn't take CR-1s away completely, so this is how they made the compromise.
-David
Nov 19, 2010, 8:10 pm
#924
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That is correct. Annual elite status, no, only BIS. But if/when you compile 1 million, then 2 million miles (from all sources, BIS, credit cards, etc) you do gain "lifetime" status - gold and platinum, respectively.
Nov 19, 2010, 8:26 pm
#925
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EQS Qualifying
Remember, 2 sides to any argument. Many have posted that UA is attacking, discriminating against/penalizing the 1K who gets it on segments. So why should the 1k on segments be the anomaly to all the other people who get 1P, and 2P on segments, which is in the 30/25k miles ratio per tier? It was fair to use that method for everyone up until this point where the 1k on segments had an exception to the ratio, now they fit the exact pattern that others have, and it is somehow unfair to them? This logic defies logic. They are standardizing everyone, eliminating an outlier to the standard formula, and it is somehow unfair. Look at "fair" in the dictionary, one of the uses is "without irregularity or unevenness". It seems to me that it was unfair to some before, but now fits the definition.
That doesn't mean that it doesn't feel good when you are given irregular treatment and it benefits you (i.e. teacher's pet) and then you get a new situation where equality is practiced (new grade, new teacher, no pets.) Anytime an advantage is taken away, it feels bad, but that doesn't make it unfair, discriminatory, or being picked on. I hear your pain, but it isn't anything irrational or unfair, it's just that change, even evolution, doesn't always benefit everyone equally.
That doesn't mean that it doesn't feel good when you are given irregular treatment and it benefits you (i.e. teacher's pet) and then you get a new situation where equality is practiced (new grade, new teacher, no pets.) Anytime an advantage is taken away, it feels bad, but that doesn't make it unfair, discriminatory, or being picked on. I hear your pain, but it isn't anything irrational or unfair, it's just that change, even evolution, doesn't always benefit everyone equally.
And most people (EQM 1K's) don't care... To prove this point, one of the 1K segment runners should begin a thread: "Join me, I am mad as H___ at UA for increasing 1K qualification from 100 EQS to 120 EQS!" Rather than hundreds of posts and 50,000+ (Wow!) thread views like this one, I think it would quickly wither to the fourth page in the list of active threads...
Always remember, what do you get when you take the ast out of Fastair?
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Nov 19, 2010, 8:30 pm
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Nov 19, 2010, 8:56 pm
#927
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Fastair: Just drop it... You are right. It is fair. But that does not mean people can't keep complaining!
And most people (EQM 1K's) don't care... To prove this point, one of the 1K segment runners should begin a thread: "Join me, I am mad as H___ at UA for increasing 1K qualification from 100 EQS to 120 EQS!" Rather than hundreds of posts and 50,000+ (Wow!) thread views like this one, I think it would quickly wither to the fourth page in the list of active threads...
Always remember, what do you get when you take the ast out of Fastair?
FAIR!
And most people (EQM 1K's) don't care... To prove this point, one of the 1K segment runners should begin a thread: "Join me, I am mad as H___ at UA for increasing 1K qualification from 100 EQS to 120 EQS!" Rather than hundreds of posts and 50,000+ (Wow!) thread views like this one, I think it would quickly wither to the fourth page in the list of active threads...
Always remember, what do you get when you take the ast out of Fastair?
FAIR!
Nov 19, 2010, 9:04 pm
#928
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Fastair: Just drop it... You are right. It is fair. But that does not mean people can't keep complaining!
And most people (EQM 1K's) don't care... To prove this point, one of the 1K segment runners should begin a thread: "Join me, I am mad as H___ at UA for increasing 1K qualification from 100 EQS to 120 EQS!" Rather than hundreds of posts and 50,000+ (Wow!) thread views like this one, I think it would quickly wither to the fourth page in the list of active threads...
Always remember, what do you get when you take the ast out of Fastair?
FAIR!
And most people (EQM 1K's) don't care... To prove this point, one of the 1K segment runners should begin a thread: "Join me, I am mad as H___ at UA for increasing 1K qualification from 100 EQS to 120 EQS!" Rather than hundreds of posts and 50,000+ (Wow!) thread views like this one, I think it would quickly wither to the fourth page in the list of active threads...
Always remember, what do you get when you take the ast out of Fastair?
FAIR!
I hope you're not speaking about the FlyerTalk community as a whole here, because quite a few people would take serious issue with your comments.
Your "this doesn't concern me...why should I care?" attitude kind of flies in the face of the reason a lot of us participate in FlyerTalk.
Nov 19, 2010, 9:04 pm
#929
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Nov 19, 2010, 9:20 pm
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other dog's you have in the fight that I can support?
Just because you don't have a dog in the fight, does that mean you wouldn't defend the underdog here?
I hope you're not speaking about the FlyerTalk community as a whole here, because quite a few people would take serious issue with your comments.
Your "this doesn't concern me...why should I care?" attitude kind of flies in the face of the reason a lot of us participate in FlyerTalk.
I hope you're not speaking about the FlyerTalk community as a whole here, because quite a few people would take serious issue with your comments.
Your "this doesn't concern me...why should I care?" attitude kind of flies in the face of the reason a lot of us participate in FlyerTalk.
I am certainly not intending to speak for the FT Community as a whole... but, once UA announced the change to the CR-1 policy, there were a lot of thank you's and a lot less activity / complaining. (and look at some of the threads on FT if you want to see how 'underdogs' are thought of: referring to 'common' MP'rs as 'Kettles'. The consistent reference to 'lowly 2p's'...)
Please do start the thread I suggested: 'EQS 1K'rs Unite: We demand 100!' Let's see what happens.
ExCrew: I do empathize with my fellow FT'ers. If there is something else that is important to you that you would like me to fight for, let me know.
I just can't get enraged over the 100 to 120 EQS 1K qualifying issue.